increasing teenage crime in dublin...from a unlucky visitor

[s2000]

I am disappointed to publish this message but I want people to read my story…..I want people to be more aware of teenager crime in Dublin. I am from England and a secondary school teacher. I've always wanted to go Dublin as I hear great things and love Guinness and the Irish accent. Although we did have a fun time in Dublin, it got ruined by the "tracksuit" teenagers that loom around the inner city Dublin streets, causing hassle to vulnerable innocent passer-by.

My story has a sad ending for me but I’m hope things will be positive from what happened to my friend and I. It was our second and last night in Dublin as it was short holiday. We have just left a night club round 1 am to go to another club. As we crossed the traffic lights on O' Connell Street, two teenage girls, barely 15 yrs old, snatched my mate's mask as they passed us. (It was Halloween weekend) We were drunk ourselves; and our natural instinct was to get the mask back, so I helped my friend to take the masks out of the girl’s hand, which we did.
As we walked away, they swore at us. So we swore back and carried on walking. When we approached the black statue of Daniel O’Connell, they followed us, then ran towards us and jumped on my friend. They started to kick my friend so I shouted them to get her off. Then, one of the girls pushed me over into the busy road and grabbed my hair and started kicking me. I tried to fight back but she pulled my hair tighter and carried on kicking me. I had to roll in a ball as she would kick me in the stomach. People just stood there and watched us getting attacked. I felt so embarrassed and helpless. The men who saved us were this very heroic Asian guy and his Italian friend. They pulled the girls off us and helped us to cross the bridge to get away from the girls.
Obviously we were in great shock from the incident. I have never been attacked or been in any fights before as I always stay away from trouble. I believe I am an intelligent and sensible person and I rarely drink. But, naturally, we were enjoying the Guinness too much and enjoying our holiday in Dublin. We didn’t think our long awaited dream holiday would be ruined by such evil and uneducated people.
It was a blessing in disguise when the girls came back up the bridge and began to attack me again. She pushed the guy out of the way and jumped on me, pulling my hair so tight. She was like an animal, getting pure satisfaction out of causing pain. They had this evil smile on their face as they approached is again. They even walked normally across the traffic lights to get to us. It was so surreal. My friend shouted for people to help me. It took four men to pull her off me and it felt like it took awhile to do this as she held on to my hair so hard. Being oriental, I have long black hair but about fourth of it has been ripped off.
The police arrived very soon after the incident in a big white van. As the four men held this girl down, My friend told me one Irish guy told the guys to let her go, not knowing what happened which made my friend angry. I just wanted to be well away from the situation as I was so upset and angry. I kept on shouting out “how evil they were”. The police retained the girls. They didn’t retaliate. They appeared to be so calm and emotionless. I was livid. Deep down I wanted them to suffer the same pain I went through. I just kept shouting at them and cried. One of the female officers said if I carried on shouting, I would be put in the van which made me angrier. The police didn’t seem too sympathetic towards us apart from one officer. We were the ones so distress and in pain. It was so evident in our appearance. My friend lip was cut; her hair was messed up and cuts on her face. But I was the one who got attacked twice. I couldn’t calm down; I was just shocked and angry about what just happened. In one way I was very conscious of the situation as we asked what will happen to the girls. They told us if it’s the first offence, they probably just get a caution. We were even more livid when we heard this. The trauma and pain these girls caused us, we felt it was unfair. Two days on and being back in the safety of my home, my whole body aches and constantly reminds me of the night. The bruising on my knees prevents me from even walking now. I have cuts and grazes on my face which probably will scar. I can’t go back to work due to the injuries. But I know I need to recover mentally as I work with rebellious teenagers at school. When I see teenagers hang out in groups on the streets, it does scare me. I reported this incident to the ‘Irish independent’ as I want public awareness of teenage crime in Dublin.
I found out from the Asian guy who saved our lives that the girls were under influence of alcohol and one went unconscious in the hospital afterwards. The first evening, a gang of these tracksuit teenagers tried to steal my friend’s bag. Also, on the night where we were brutally attacked, this guy in fancy dress had his hat stolen by these tracksuit teenagers. He tried to get it back and they were just playing with him.
Its really unfortunate incident that happened to us and I hope no one else will have to go through the trauma we went through. It was an unprovoked attack and it made us scared to back to Dublin. I never walk on my own anywhere, but is it safe to be just in pairs? The issue I really want to raise is what is the government is trying to do about these teenagers who loom around the streets in gangs. Too often we saw them and we were only been there for two days…..

[Tanya]

Yeah thats story is pretty interesting its the same in Limerick as soon as peopple see gangs you know theres bound to be trouble. But not all teens [am one myself] are all that bad.

[Callum Bevan]

These kinda people are best

locked away, all they do is

pollute our city, and give it

a bad name.

[U2lover]

Yeah thats story is pretty interesting its the same in Limerick as soon as peopple see gangs you know theres bound to be trouble. But not all teens [am one myself] are all that bad.

too right, we're not all bad! There is teen crime everywhere. And even though i am abit of an extrovert i dont go around harrasing people more like make them laugh:rolleyes:

[Callum Bevan]

I couldn't agree more. I go to the Celtic games in Glasgow, and the teen crime their is alot worse as Dublin. What i can say is that no city is perfect, although i like to believe we are, but like everywhere else. Dublin has it's fair share of teenage pests. I tend just to ignore them. :wink:

[victoria]

That's a shocking story.

[drummer]

In fairness - any big city is going to have this kind of crap - it goes with the territory.

Plus - other than them taking the mask, i feel from the story that there was some provocation on your part. Im sure things would have been fine if you walked on, but you brought this on yourself. If you walked on and ignored their swearing im sure it would have ended there, but you had to swear back didn't you, it seems you decided to engage in this fight. If I was an arresting Garda on the night I would have thrown you all in a cell to cool off.

I have to say - Im not a fan of those shams that the attackers seemed to have been.

[victoria]

I think you're being a little unfair there not to mention working your crystal ball to the limit!

[a.Maher]

In fairness - any big city is going to have this kind of crap - it goes with the territory.

Plus - other than them taking the mask, i feel from the story that there was some provocation on your part. Im sure things would have been fine if you walked on, but you brought this on yourself. If you walked on and ignored their swearing im sure it would have ended there, but you had to swear back didn't you, it seems you decided to engage in this fight. If I was an arresting Garda on the night I would have thrown you all in a cell to cool off.

I have to say - Im not a fan of those shams that the attackers seemed to have been.


i think you are being very unfair, why should she have ignored them, they were the ones who stole her mask, was she just supposed to let it go. She stood up for herself, and if i was her i would have done the same, these girls think they can do what they like and get away with it and the reason they get away with it is because people like you are happy to turn a blind eye, if they girls had come up and stabbed her was she to ignore this too!

[chalky]

i think you are being very unfair, why should she have ignored them, they were the ones who stole her mask, was she just supposed to let it go. She stood up for herself, and if i was her i would have done the same, these girls think they can do what they like and get away with it and the reason they get away with it is because people like you are happy to turn a blind eye, if they girls had come up and stabbed her was she to ignore this too!
Wheather they provoked the girls or not isn't the problem. they were harassed and beaten up, very badly at that, and no action was taken. Why were these youngsters out in the city center at that time of the morning in the frst place, have they no gaurdians or no homes to got to!
At 13 I was very badly beaten up, also by a bunch of young girls, no-one stepped in to help although there were quite a few paople standing around. It's a very traumatic experience, both mentally and physically, so
I can understand what these ladies went through. shocking!

[paddywacker]

It does not matter if they should have been home also the girl who was attacked .Ihave some questions to ask ,

1 would more cctv be effective
2 would a curfew on 17year olds ,12pm
3 community work by parents and teenager ??

[Red Biddy]

That is an awful story, but this kind of situation is happening here in the Uk regularly. In fact, in some areas, it is gun crime, mostly 'black on black' as it is referred to and at the moment it is out of control.

Lets get the race issue out of the way. Reading the Irish papers, a lot of non Irish go through the same (and worse) things - arguments among each other sometimes ending in death.

Unfortunately, there is and always has been racism, although I do not think racism came into play here - you said these girls were drunk. No excuse but it is a proven fact that too much drink causes a lot of the problems in society, as do drugs.

As an Irish woman living in the Uk for 38 years, I have had my fair share of racism, especially during the IRA campaign here and the arrests of the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4 and the Maguires etc. I never got beaten up, just spat at - no drink involved and by people as old as I and older (it was pure hatred). I wiped the spit off my coat with a tissue as I walked to the school to collect my children. And the older generation here had it worse.

I am not defending the police, but they came across this awful situation and if everyone was roaring and shouting, and drink was involved, I suppose they had reservations - they see it all the time, unfortunately. Wrongly, as it turned out.

You say you seldom drink but admit you had a few that night and good for you. Its no excuse whatsoever for what happened and those girls should be made to pay. But if it was a first offence, its likley they will be given a fine or a caution - the same applies in the UK. I do not condone this, in fact I abhorr it. But the police do not make the laws, politicians make laws.

I am careful where I venture in Dublin at night, as I am in the city I live in. Cities are unpredictable. For example, I would never go to Temple Bar, a place that was derelict when I lived in Dubln - I used it as a short cut to the quays. Originally developed as an artist's quarter, I believe it is now considered a place for hen and stags nights for young visitors from overseas to the city.

I sincerely hope your feeling better now and your on the mend.

I am not making excuses or blaming you, far from it - I stil have family in Dublin and they keep abrest of things and know there is a lot of crime in Dublin.

30 years ago, I too would have tried to get my mask back, but that was then and this is now - but the mask would not have been stolen then and youngsters did not drink. Its a different time and unfortunately things have changed all over the world.

Stay safe and get well.

Liz
x

[chalky]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Respect Biddy, very well said, here's to you..:cheers:

[Red Biddy]

Chalky, its the same here, honestly.

Paddywacker, we were one of the first cities in the UK to have CCTV cameras and they are everywhere. But it still goes on every week-end from all ages. Remember the footage of young Jamie Bulger here being taken by Venebals and Thompson? The film did not stop the child from being murdered.

As for curfews, well most young people are fantastic and a few are scum, like in any generation, mine included. So why penalise the lot because of a small minority? I dont want to live in an Orwellian society.

Most, apart from a few, parents would be horrified if they thought their kids were out of control. Punish the few if proved but not all.

[miamigo2]

Agree with everything you say biddy , cctv everywere , and i dont wish to live (who does) in an orwelian society either .When was the last time you heard of sombody being taken to court and fined for smashing up a bus shelter or vandalising a phone box ? yet it is a regular occurence and The cctv's see and record them like every other incidents such as violent assaults and murder .

How many cctv's are manned 24/7 . ? If they are not being moniterd, then any incidence recorded can as you say , only be used in evidence after the event .

[chalky]

I think that Those camera's are only for recording data, which can be pulled up whenever needed..

[murph52]

makes you sick to yer guts readin' a story like that --- I do hope that time will heal your wounds both mental and physical and that you give Ireland another chance if not Dublin as well. This is not a new thing ,as i was reading your story I remembered an attack very like the one you described only this was with teenage guys and was back in 1972 --unfortunately for this attacker i had my motorbike chain and padlock in my pocket !!!! he had used a chain from behind me and had wrapped it around my neck!! but he came out the worst of it and the guards were goin to arrest ME!!! anyway Big city's are the same the world over (im in Australia) so be alert! not alarmed

[mucksavage]

let the part time police watch the CCTV and let them build an offenders album and show it on National TV

[MykidsMom]

let the part time police watch the CCTV and let them build an offenders album and show it on National TV


Lotsa speeding offences and drunk drivers in our area, mostly kids, so couple of years ago the cops handed out tickets, and monthly published a list of the offenders in the local paper and on the net.....................surprise suprise..instant decrease in tickets..............that would work paddy

[mickjoe]

Lotsa speeding offences and drunk drivers in our area, mostly kids, so couple of years ago the cops handed out tickets, and monthly published a list of the offenders in the local paper and on the net.....................surprise suprise..instant decrease in tickets..............that would work paddy

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What about the courts Confiscating any Car that is being driven by a "Drunk Driver" and should they be Convicted of being "Drunk in charge" of the Vehicle it could then be Destroyed.

[mucksavage]

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What about the courts Confiscating any Car that is being driven by a "Drunk Driver" and should they be Convicted of being "Drunk in charge" of the Vehicle it could then be Destroyed.

not destroyed but given to schools to learn the pupils to drive and maintain their cars this would be a very practical solution and the same with motor bikes
because most will end up owning a car or motorbike PS NO CAR PARKS FOR PUBS ONLY A BUS SERVICEAND PEOPLE WOULD DRINK MORE LOCAL

[pvm]

The teenage activity, seems like that happens everywhere. Seems like if the parents had to 'pay' for their little darlings activities, then, might be a decrese. Maybe.

I know the two guys who got beat up will emotionally never forget this. Wondering if they were too much being gentlemen to defend themselves against girls? Maybe this is why the girls picked on guys -- if they had picked on other women, the women would have turned on them and beat the holy crap out of them...self defense. I would have.

As for drunk driving, really if the drunk driver kills someone, it's murder. If the drunk hurts another driver, then, it's attempted murder or assult & battery. Should be like this. But, they call it 'vehicular homicide' here, and that's a joke I believe.

Here, the drunk drivers who 'murder' or 'injure' someone while commiting DWI or DUI, they only go to prison for about 15-20 years. They show them on the news sobbing about how freakin' sorry they are, but the judge sends them to prison anyway. Here where I live, we, too, have a bad history of drunk driving, and basically zero public transportation for the drunks anyway. There is a program offering free cabs, and a program offering a free tow home, and both only in Albuquerque for the most part. Here, they take your drivers license, they can either take your vehicle or make you install a device where as you have to breathe into it to start the vehicle. They make you go to a night school for drunk driving education and counseling at the drunk's expense...the government and your health insurance might not pay, and you're in contempt of court if you don't go. They can make you go into therapy where as they can make you pee in a cup twice a week to prove you quit drinking or throw the guilty person in jail for that program.

But, we still have a very bad death rate of murder my drunk drivers here no matter what. Often, the person sooner or later gets away with resuming their drinking and they find a way to drive without a license, and at this point, no insurance.

In Japan, where I've lived, I have heard the citizens want to have their government send guilty drunk drivers to the gallows (a death sentence in Japan means they hang you...no sh it) who kill people. Now, that's severe.

[mucksavage]

The teenage activity, seems like that happens everywhere. Seems like if the parents had to 'pay' for their little darlings activities, then, might be a decrese. Maybe.

I know the two guys who got beat up will emotionally never forget this. Wondering if they were too much being gentlemen to defend themselves against girls? Maybe this is why the girls picked on guys -- if they had picked on other women, the women would have turned on them and beat the holy crap out of them...self defense. I would have.

As for drunk driving, really if the drunk driver kills someone, it's murder. If the drunk hurts another driver, then, it's attempted murder or assult & battery. Should be like this. But, they call it 'vehicular homicide' here, and that's a joke I believe.

Here, the drunk drivers who 'murder' or 'injure' someone while commiting DWI or DUI, they only go to prison for about 15-20 years. They show them on the news sobbing about how freakin' sorry they are, but the judge sends them to prison anyway. Here where I live, we, too, have a bad history of drunk driving, and basically zero public transportation for the drunks anyway. There is a program offering free cabs, and a program offering a free tow home, and both only in Albuquerque for the most part. Here, they take your drivers license, they can either take your vehicle or make you install a device where as you have to breathe into it to start the vehicle. They make you go to a night school for drunk driving education and counseling at the drunk's expense...the government and your health insurance might not pay, and you're in contempt of court if you don't go. They can make you go into therapy where as they can make you pee in a cup twice a week to prove you quit drinking or throw the guilty person in jail for that program.

But, we still have a very bad death rate of murder my drunk drivers here no matter what. Often, the person sooner or later gets away with resuming their drinking and they find a way to drive without a license, and at this point, no insurance.

In Japan, where I've lived, I have heard the citizens want to have their government send guilty drunk drivers to the gallows (a death sentence in Japan means they hang you...no sh it) who kill people. Now, that's severe.

Alcohol is the worst drug going all of society suffers from it the family of the drunk driver the Family of the victim but there are to many wealthy publicans who support the political party's to do any thing worth while about drink whether walking or driving one solution the licence were issued to the pub to serve the locality and there fore no car needed and no car park the pubs are not checked proper the gardaí should walk in around the bar and see who are drinking and how many cars outside

[MykidsMom]

yea know what? i blame parents.....we bought our son his first car when he was 16...(after paying for his driving lessons.. ) car was a 2 year old honda civic, his insurance for 12 months cost $5000... was he grateful? not on your nelly within 2 months his licence was suspended for speeding....the car interior burned to a cinder by his friends smoking in it..he doesnt smoke ..so we took the car back..got rid of it....all of a sudden he was on shanks mare...did he like it? nope...did he learn a huge lesson? yes????????? have we bought him another car? nopes....did he save up responsibily and buy his own?? yes.??? is he mad at us? no way hes realized his mistakes........

[murph52]

yea know what? i blame parents.....we bought our son his first car when he was 16...(after paying for his driving lessons.. ) car was a 2 year old Honda civic, his insurance for 12 months cost $5000... was he grateful? not on your Nelly within 2 months his license was suspended for speeding....the car interior burned to a cinder by his friends smoking in it..he doesn't smoke ..so we took the car back..got rid of it....all of a sudden he was on shanks mare...did he like it? nope...did he learn a huge lesson? yes????????? have we bought him another car? nopes....did he save up responsibly and buy his own?? yes.??? is he mad at us? no way hes realized his mistakes........
Well done !!

[MykidsMom]

Well done !!

We practically had to go out in disguise. it was unheard of for a set of parents to come down on their kid by "taking" back the car.....our neighbours were horrified. but you know what you do what you feel is right...and looking at our son tearing around town in a paid up car that hed no investment in and systematically wrecking the flipping thing by not caring bout it didnt seem right...it was easy come easy go for him.......id have to keep asking myself what would my own dad have done???? then i do it..!!!! works!!! :)

[redbhoy]

Its a pity more parents werent like you. Kids are threatened with punishment these days but its usually never followed up on so the kids think they can get away with anything.

[mucksavage]

Its a pity more parents werent like you. Kids are threatened with punishment these days but its usually never followed up on so the kids think they can get away with anything.

most parents only get upset if their life is upset by a rowdy child the children can do what mischief they like as long as they the parents don't come involved

[muller]

:crybaby2: :crybaby2: We practically had to go out in disguise. it was unheard of for a set of parents to come down on their kid by "taking" back the car.....our neighbours were horrified. but you know what you do what you feel is right...and looking at our son tearing around town in a paid up car that hed no investment in and systematically wrecking the flipping thing by not caring bout it didnt seem right...it was easy come easy go for him.......id have to keep asking myself what would my own dad have done???? then i do it..!!!! works!!! :)Seems like your sons growing up to be a menace to society if he isnt that already.

[miamigo2]

From the letters page of the daily mail (uk)


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[MykidsMom]

:crybaby2: :crybaby2: Seems like your sons growing up to be a menace to society if he isnt that already.

Do you think so now muller? my son is now 22, a university graduate, a non-smoker and non drinker, a volunteer tax preparer for those less fortunate, a registered musician and a productive well adjusted member of our society...and hes even kind to cranky old people because we taught him respect......but you know if wed sat back on our asses as parents when he was 15/16 maybe things might be different......but we stood up to the plate as parents, took responsibility for our child and it worked.........so i have to say...sorry muller but this time you got it wrong.!!!:dance:

[muller]

Good luck to your son MkM. I made that comment so youd tell me the history. Wound you up again!

[MykidsMom]

sure muller your the best :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: for christmas i'll send you a huge tin bucket and shovel......where shall i sent it?

[michaeldub]

And it's fact. Dublin considered as one of the most dangerous cities of europe. Still gypos steal cars, burn them, and i heard a lot of times scumbags shoot people. Just a few weeks before somebody set fire in a stolen car in my backyard. In the city of just 1,5 million people

[muller]

You are so kind MkM its what Ive always wanted for Christmas. Cant wait---

[muller]

You talking about Tallaght Michaeldub?

[mucksavage]

You talking about Tallaght Michaeldub?
mind your ppppsss and Qqqqqqqquuuuuuuusssssss


I'm the EYE of TALLAh

[MykidsMom]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[mayhemgod]

I have read through this thread.
To be honest whats going to happen if ....
the woman who started this post had retaliated and given them a beating then surprise surprise she would have charges laid on her from the yobs ?
Yes or no ?

I am from south africa and if you get caught doing crime you will get a beating from the people who you committed and from the police.

I caught a guy breaking in to my place one night and we all gave him and beating and then the police also beat him.

Lastly parents should smack their kids, if they don't then they keep getting away with the small in house crimes, so they then go out and think the same will happen.

All I say is you should get the crap beaten out of you if you think you can terrorize people and commit crimes.

[caduceus]

I have read through this thread.
To be honest whats going to happen if ....
the woman who started this post had retaliated and given them a beating then surprise surprise she would have charges laid on her from the yobs ?
Yes or no ?
No, not if it was in reasonable self-defence. If not, then she'd deserve to have charges laid against her.

I am from south africa and if you get caught doing crime you will get a beating from the people who you committed and from the police.

I caught a guy breaking in to my place one night and we all gave him and beating and then the police also beat him.
Extra-judicial punishment beatings make for a very, very poor system of justice. This is why South Africa has such a poor human rights record.

[mayhemgod]

The news is over rated.
If you mate is getting a beating are we going to stand by and watch like most people do.
If someone breaks into your home you say "oh you stand just there while I call the cops". Or give them the beating of their life and then call cops.

I have also lived in rotterdam and the lifestyle is pretty much the same as South africa - if try to pick on someone then you will expect them to retaliate.

The police should be able to use a lot more force against criminals here.
eg a few weeks ago they shot two people trying to rob the post office.
GREAT.
they wont do it again. result community is safer. :applause:

[pvm]

Some days, I'm glad to be a gun-owning american.

If you don't live in my house, I clueless as to who you are, and you're coming at me, are bigger than me, yup, you're probally a threat as far as I can tell.

Far as I'm concerned, ya break into my place & you'd best do it when I'm not home, or you should be able to turn around and run ... quickly. I've been trained.

[miamigo2]

A few days ago in New Cross south east London , a young polish care worker 23 year old Magda Pnieska was shot dead when she unwittingly walked into the crossfire of a London gang war.
Her family told of their devstation at the tragic end to their daughters dream. Her mother Barbara attacked ******* Britian and said she simply did not understand how such a thing could happen in a civilised society .

Quote ' No mother should have to see her daughter die like this , ' said the 52 year old bank clerk . ' Why could the police not protect her ? I do not understand why a country as rich as Britian cannot police it's streets properly .' It is like the police are afraid of tackling the gangs ,they know there is violence and they know who these gangs are ,yet they do nothing ,so my daughter has paid with her life for their failure.

Mrs Pnieska was shocked to discover that her daughter was not planning to live in London long term bcause the city was to dangerous and she would not want to raise children there.
' They were planning to get married in poland and move to the north of England, ' she said.


A very sad and tragic story and the young girls griefstricken mother asks , why could the police not protect her ? why cant a country as rich as Britian police its streets? .........why indeed ?

[pvm]

I've read a little bit about the gangs, gang wars, and why do people join gangs in the first place.

Often, it starts out being like a more functional family than they have at home.

And, then there's the drugs they sell.

They'll blow each other to bits to defend their drug sales turf.

As I understand in the UK, when they outlawed guns, in reality, they took the guns from law-abiding citizens. The crooks and gang members still have plenty of guns in the UK.

[miamigo2]

As I understand in the UK, when they outlawed guns, in reality, they took the guns from law-abiding citizens. The crooks and gang members still have plenty of guns in the UK.Unlike the USA, it is illigal for anybody in the uk ,except those with a permit to own a firearm .The crooks and gang members have them ,but the police only have them in special firarm units .So if a bobby is approached by a gun weilding gang member he has no defence if that guy decides to pull the trigger,as they are more and more likley to do .

Was the young girl in question in the wrong place at the wrong time ??? actually she was 20 yards from her own front door (the gang members were the ones in the wrong place , not her ) and what is most horrific about this is , she was talking on her cell phone to her sister in poland ,who heard the shots and the sound of her sisters body falling to the ground , and the sound of silence. Her sister in poland kept telling herself it was just the phone breaking up its signal

What could be more horrific than being 8 or 900 miles away from home ,and hearing your loved one dying over a cell phone ...caused by some useless toe rag drug dealer who will have lawyers falling over themselfs to protect his human rights ? .?

[pvm]

Curious if the gangs are doing tagging overseas?

Tagging is where they spray paint wierd logos on walls, highway underpasses, you name it, and this is marking their gang territory.

Here, they had to outlaw sales of spray paint to those under 21, and now all spray paint is locked up in cases in every store by law. Government and homeowners got tired of cleaning all of it up.

We have undercover police here, especially in Los Angeles, that are experts in reading and tracking the 'tags' to understand what's going on with the drug gangs, who is claiming they killed who, etc.

I would make a joke about tagging...dogs and cats do it....sub humans and gang bangers do it, too.

[pvm]

Unlike the USA, it is illigal for anybody in the uk ,except those with a permit to own a firearm .The crooks and gang members have them ,but the police only have them in special firarm units .So if a bobby is approached by a gun weilding gang member he has no defence if that guy decides to pull the trigger,as they are more and more likley to do .

Was the young girl in question in the wrong place at the wrong time ??? actually she was 20 yards from her own front door (the gang members were the ones in the wrong place , not her ) and what is most horrific about this is , she was talking on her cell phone to her sister in poland ,who heard the shots and the sound of her sisters body falling to the ground , and the sound of silence. Her sister in poland kept telling herself it was just the phone breaking up its signal

What could be more horrific than being 8 or 900 miles away from home ,and hearing your loved one dying over a cell phone ...caused by some useless toe rag drug dealer who will have lawyers falling over themselfs to protect his human rights ? .?

Yeah, the gangs don't follow the law, so the gun laws don't apply to them. Just us.

True, it's unbelievable just how far a bullet can travel...even a .22 caliber one. If you even think you hear gunfire, you dive for the ground. Even inside. High powered bullets can go through walls, you stove...no kidding. Gang members often own higher caliber weapons, as I understand, in most countries, including the UK.

[miamigo2]

Yeah, the gangs don't follow the law, so the gun laws don't apply to them. Just us.

True, it's unbelievable just how far a bullet can travel...even a .22 caliber one. If you even think you hear gunfire, you dive for the ground. Even inside. High powered bullets can go through walls, you stove...no kidding. Gang members often own higher caliber weapons, as I understand, in most countries, including the UK.Oh they have the whole shebang over here, never being easier to obtain a gun in any city in the uk ,its just the idiots who use them , like we had a young 11 yar old boy 'ryhs jones ' who was also shot dead ,who also incidently was an innocent who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (but unlike the polish girl in his home town ) .

I know from my army days the power of what a wepon can do ,having used them on the firing range, FN rifle ,BAP (browing authomatic pistol ) gustav machine gun ,grenades 303 th lot and i loved shooting practice, and know enough to know that in the wrong and stupid hands ...innocent people would die as they do . Never used an M15 though ....

[pvm]

I know from my army days the power of what a wepon can do ,having used them on the firing range, FN rifle ,BAP (browing authomatic pistol ) gustav machine gun ,grenades 303 th lot and i loved shooting practice, and know enough to know that in the wrong and stupid hands ...innocent people would die as they do . Never used an M15 though ....

Damn, miamigo, you'd tested out some serious recoil.

I've tried a .357 revolver once, but usually I go no higher than a .38 caliber myself.

But, yeah, guns are like sex without birth control...you'd don't have to be smart to do either, but they should be.

[miamigo2]

Damn, miamigo, you'd tested out some serious recoil.Yea......and i loved every minute of it ....and the GPMG (general purpose machine gun ) now that is some gun

But, yeah, guns are like sex without birth control...you'd don't have to be smart to do either, but they should be.Or how about ' happiness is a warm gun,and a warm bed to .....:dance:

[mickjoe]

I know from my army days the power of what a wepon can do ,having used them on the firing range, FN rifle ,BAP (browing authomatic pistol ) gustav machine gun ,grenades 303 th lot and i loved shooting practice, and know enough to know that in the wrong and stupid hands ...innocent people would die as they do . Never used an M15 though ....

I have used the FN rifle, Bren gun, Sterling Sub machine gun and the famous Lee Enfield .303 rifle.... I have fired the .357 magnum, .38 special, 9mm lugar. Colt 45 auto and the Browning 9 mm pistol.... Of these I preferred the old Lee Enfield for accuracy over the FN rifle. I have also used a number of small bore rifiles when Target shooting in our local shooting club. We can no longer have " Modern Handguns " in this country..... Though, since Handguns were taken from us, there has been an Upsurge in hand guns being used on the streets by various gangs and crooks..... SO I guess some if not All of the Legitimate owners of handguns are feeling a bit peeved.

[muller]

Another do-gooder. I always chastised my kids and they grew up to be decent citizens. I say get rid of the do-gooders , childrens rights and the ridiculous human rights issue which is always on the criminals side then maybe we can get back to peaceful living.

[mucksavage]

I want to own a pistol and carry one I'm alone all day and I've loads of gold and expensive things to protect

[TOMMY]

[QUOTE=mucksavage][FONT="Trebuchet MS"][SIZE="5"][COLOR="DarkRed"]I want to own a pistol and carry one I'm alone all day and I've loads of gold and expensive things to protect I WILL GET MY SON TO GO OVER TO YOU AND FIT A ALARM FOR YOU AND LINK TO A CENTERAL STATION AND THEY WILL ALART THE GARDA

[caduceus]

Another do-gooder. I always chastised my kids and they grew up to be decent citizens. I say get rid of the do-gooders , childrens rights and the ridiculous human rights issue which is always on the criminals side then maybe we can get back to peaceful living.
Are you sure you're sane?

[mucksavage]

[QUOTE=mucksavage][FONT="Trebuchet MS"]I want to own a pistol and carry one I'm alone all day and I've loads of gold and expensive things to protect I WILL GET MY SON TO GO OVER TO YOU AND FIT A ALARM FOR YOU AND LINK TO A CENTERAL STATION AND THEY WILL ALART THE GARDA
[SIZE="4"][COLOR="Black"]I'm pulling your leg if they broke into my house they'd leave me money hehehehehahaha

[MykidsMom]

Are you sure you're sane?


yea hes saying parents should be responsible for their kids.........and take control of them..

[mucksavage]

yea hes saying parents should be responsible for their kids.........and take control of them..

when kids cause trouble lock them and their parents in a school to leanr social behavior.

and publish the fact in the newspapers

[eirbiz]

I have been aware of teenage thuggery for 10 YEARS or more but our government and worse, society in general seem to accept it as inevitable.
I have been running a website dealing with this and other issues for three or four years now http://www.eirbiz.com/index-crime.php
There are decent people in Ireland but it's getting harder and harder to find them.


I am disappointed to publish this message but I want people to read my story…..I want people to be more aware of teenager crime in Dublin. I am from England and a secondary school teacher. I've always wanted to go Dublin as I hear great things and love Guinness and the Irish accent. Although we did have a fun time in Dublin, it got ruined by the "tracksuit" teenagers that loom around the inner city Dublin streets, causing hassle to vulnerable innocent passer-by.

My story has a sad ending for me but I’m hope things will be positive from what happened to my friend and I. It was our second and last night in Dublin as it was short holiday. We have just left a night club round 1 am to go to another club. As we crossed the traffic lights on O' Connell Street, two teenage girls, barely 15 yrs old, snatched my mate's mask as they passed us. (It was Halloween weekend) We were drunk ourselves; and our natural instinct was to get the mask back, so I helped my friend to take the masks out of the girl’s hand, which we did.
As we walked away, they swore at us. So we swore back and carried on walking. When we approached the black statue of Daniel O’Connell, they followed us, then ran towards us and jumped on my friend. They started to kick my friend so I shouted them to get her off. Then, one of the girls pushed me over into the busy road and grabbed my hair and started kicking me. I tried to fight back but she pulled my hair tighter and carried on kicking me. I had to roll in a ball as she would kick me in the stomach. People just stood there and watched us getting attacked. I felt so embarrassed and helpless. The men who saved us were this very heroic Asian guy and his Italian friend. They pulled the girls off us and helped us to cross the bridge to get away from the girls.
Obviously we were in great shock from the incident. I have never been attacked or been in any fights before as I always stay away from trouble. I believe I am an intelligent and sensible person and I rarely drink. But, naturally, we were enjoying the Guinness too much and enjoying our holiday in Dublin. We didn’t think our long awaited dream holiday would be ruined by such evil and uneducated people.
It was a blessing in disguise when the girls came back up the bridge and began to attack me again. She pushed the guy out of the way and jumped on me, pulling my hair so tight. She was like an animal, getting pure satisfaction out of causing pain. They had this evil smile on their face as they approached is again. They even walked normally across the traffic lights to get to us. It was so surreal. My friend shouted for people to help me. It took four men to pull her off me and it felt like it took awhile to do this as she held on to my hair so hard. Being oriental, I have long black hair but about fourth of it has been ripped off.
The police arrived very soon after the incident in a big white van. As the four men held this girl down, My friend told me one Irish guy told the guys to let her go, not knowing what happened which made my friend angry. I just wanted to be well away from the situation as I was so upset and angry. I kept on shouting out “how evil they were”. The police retained the girls. They didn’t retaliate. They appeared to be so calm and emotionless. I was livid. Deep down I wanted them to suffer the same pain I went through. I just kept shouting at them and cried. One of the female officers said if I carried on shouting, I would be put in the van which made me angrier. The police didn’t seem too sympathetic towards us apart from one officer. We were the ones so distress and in pain. It was so evident in our appearance. My friend lip was cut; her hair was messed up and cuts on her face. But I was the one who got attacked twice. I couldn’t calm down; I was just shocked and angry about what just happened. In one way I was very conscious of the situation as we asked what will happen to the girls. They told us if it’s the first offence, they probably just get a caution. We were even more livid when we heard this. The trauma and pain these girls caused us, we felt it was unfair. Two days on and being back in the safety of my home, my whole body aches and constantly reminds me of the night. The bruising on my knees prevents me from even walking now. I have cuts and grazes on my face which probably will scar. I can’t go back to work due to the injuries. But I know I need to recover mentally as I work with rebellious teenagers at school. When I see teenagers hang out in groups on the streets, it does scare me. I reported this incident to the ‘Irish independent’ as I want public awareness of teenage crime in Dublin.
I found out from the Asian guy who saved our lives that the girls were under influence of alcohol and one went unconscious in the hospital afterwards. The first evening, a gang of these tracksuit teenagers tried to steal my friend’s bag. Also, on the night where we were brutally attacked, this guy in fancy dress had his hat stolen by these tracksuit teenagers. He tried to get it back and they were just playing with him.
Its really unfortunate incident that happened to us and I hope no one else will have to go through the trauma we went through. It was an unprovoked attack and it made us scared to back to Dublin. I never walk on my own anywhere, but is it safe to be just in pairs? The issue I really want to raise is what is the government is trying to do about these teenagers who loom around the streets in gangs. Too often we saw them and we were only been there for two days…..

[Grumpy Old Man]

I have been aware of teenage thuggery for 10 YEARS or more but our government and worse, society in general seem to accept it as inevitable.
I have been running a website dealing with this and other issues for three or four years now http://www.eirbiz.com/index-crime.php
There are decent people in Ireland but it's getting harder and harder to find them.
Eirbiz
Your link is not working
Grumpy

[eirbiz]

Sorry,
http://www.eirbiz.com/os/index-crime.php
It's working now...forgot the 'os'

[eirbiz]

Sorry,
The proper link is: http://www.eirbiz.com/os/index-crime.php

[mary jacob]

It does not matter if they should have been home also the girl who was attacked .Ihave some questions to ask ,

1 would more cctv be effective
2 would a curfew on 17year olds ,12pm
3 community work by parents and teenager ??

i think there should be a curfew on 17year olds: 9pm and any 3 or more is classed as a gang you know they have that in some parts of birmingham uk and it works very well

[Red Biddy]

Lock every young person and their parents up? What? There are no curfews her in the UK except for those who should have curfews - proven guilty parties.

[michaeldub]

you always get troubles if u are looking for that!

[michaeldub]

this story is really horrible. I still don't know Ireland is the 2nd highest economy of Europe. There are so much money in this country, 2 times more than Germany and France together. Why the politicians don't spend a little for the education to learn the young people how to use their brain and not to be morons. Over in USA behaviour like this is unwanted. Police scares that people and in the schools they pay more attention in hygien and social education. (Comparing with the unarmed gardai)!!!!!!! Here in Ireland in the schools the teachers give the answers of the exams to the students. How on earth do u expect something better when the young kids dont know how to think at all. The same time Germany, Sweeden, even Portugal and Italy and Spain countries no so rich as Ireland have better education system, better transports and police. I never saw anybody blaming for anything here except for the weather!!! When somebody is leaving his food under dart seats, when somebody is spiting on the pavement in front of other people nobody sais anything. Does anybody care? So if u don't say a word, if u don't ask for your rights nothing will change. Criminals will be criminals cause tha's what they got from school. People have to know how to avoid this behaviour not cause of the law and order but thinking. Ireland needs a lot of help
..:rockon: :boohoo:

[redbhoy]

I heartily agree with you Michaeldub. Its down to eudcation. I actually believe that the government dont pump the huge amounts needed into education because if this was to happen, people will eventually begin to think for themselves and the rip off culture will be there for all to see. People wont stand for dodgy politicians or rip off builders/shops/doctors/dentists etc etc.

[pvm]

I heartily agree with you Michaeldub. Its down to eudcation. I actually believe that the government dont pump the huge amounts needed into education because if this was to happen, people will eventually begin to think for themselves and the rip off culture will be there for all to see. People wont stand for dodgy politicians or rip off builders/shops/doctors/dentists etc etc.

Everywhere, the system needs some folks to stay behind and flip burgers at McDonalds. They don't need too many thinkers...just a few. Way it is. Somebody's gotta do it, and it isn't going to be me.

[redbhoy]

Would properly educated people really need McDonalds, in the utopian vision of tomorrow?
We'd be all busy eating organically and chomping on Omega filled fishies to feed our massive brains!

[pvm]

Me? Haven't been to McDonalds in years personally.

I would like to see a world where the food is organic for everyone, but do not actually see that happening in my lifetime. Yet, it would be the right thing to have.

As for education, the student has to go beyond what is minimally expected in order to succeed. Alot of folks just don't do this. Going to college just does not 'happen' by having educators poor info into one's head....gotta work alot harder than the average person to do this.

[michaeldub]

I work for the education system here in Ireland. I can very easy say that i never so bad system before in all the other European countries i have been. Teachers give answers to their students. And i repeat if the people don't learn how to use their brain how do u expect a better quality of life. The kids here grow up like morons. Even the colleges for the entry exams they give ready answers!!! I don't see future at all in this country if the education won't change. The fact that Europe gave jobs it doesn't mean that they won't take them back. The most of the companies are from Germany and now the Germans are getting stronger again. Sweeden and U.K also decide to take their companies back. Let me know how many Irish did u see working in the companies here? They can't take even more than hard jobs cause of lack of education. So the criminality will be high for the next years cause people don't get education. It's so simple.

[pvm]

I work for the education system here in Ireland. I can very easy say that i never so bad system before in all the other European countries i have been. Teachers give answers to their students. And i repeat if the people don't learn how to use their brain how do u expect a better quality of life. The kids here grow up like morons. Even the colleges for the entry exams they give ready answers!!! I don't see future at all in this country if the education won't change. The fact that Europe gave jobs it doesn't mean that they won't take them back. The most of the companies are from Germany and now the Germans are getting stronger again. Sweeden and U.K also decide to take their companies back. Let me know how many Irish did u see working in the companies here? They can't take even more than hard jobs cause of lack of education. So the criminality will be high for the next years cause people don't get education. It's so simple.

Gee, sounds so very American. Welcome to the future.

Actually, there's quite a few Irish working for, say, Dell, in Austin, Texas. Or as engineers in California. Somebody's getting educated in Ireland. Maybe alot of burger flippers and sales clerks coming out of the system, but not everyone.

[MykidsMom]

well said pvm!!! Its sad though cos the educational system in ireland was great...

A neighbour is having fits cos her son hasnt met his markers at school hes only 5, and she suggested they keep him in jk for another year...that maybe he was just a bit immature....the school had a fit and passed him to the next grade cos of how hed percieve being held back....so now hes failing in sk......did i mention hes 5? and now really upset cos the kids are laughing at him? dreadful for the poor child.

[pvm]

Is the system preparing the Irish for the coming of Wally World (Walmart!)?

If you can think for yourself and work for Wally World, you will go insane.

[michaeldub]

I don't know what are you talking about.

I don't know if the system was better before but this seems the worst of all. I don't think that anybody cares. I didn't see anybody blaming, or saying something for all the bad things in this country and of course for the education. Maybe they cannot understand the diference between Sweedish, German.... model and the Irish. Or they don't wanna understand. It's sad.

Ireland needs a lot of help. The situation is out of control. The future of the Irish youth goes to a dead end.

:bs:

[chalky]

I work for the education system here in Ireland. I can very easy say that i never so bad system before in all the other European countries i have been. Teachers give answers to their students. And i repeat if the people don't learn how to use their brain how do u expect a better quality of life. The kids here grow up like morons. Even the colleges for the entry exams they give ready answers!!! I don't see future at all in this country if the education won't change. The fact that Europe gave jobs it doesn't mean that they won't take them back. The most of the companies are from Germany and now the Germans are getting stronger again. Sweeden and U.K also decide to take their companies back. Let me know how many Irish did u see working in the companies here? They can't take even more than hard jobs cause of lack of education. So the criminality will be high for the next years cause people don't get education. It's so simple.


MichaelDub..

TAKE SOME TIME OUT. TAKE A DEEEEEEEEEEP BREADTH. Eyeryone is entitled to their opinions lol, but YOU are just about to blow my brains out, u cocky ( ) I won't say it. and something else, it occured to me while reading your posts that you may be a guest worker in my Fine country (which I am VERYYYYYYYY PROUD of) So shut the ( ) up, no body is swinging u to stay here. Get it??

[TOMMY]

MichaelDub..

TAKE SOME TIME OUT. TAKE A DEEEEEEEEEEP BREADTH. Eyeryone is entitled to their opinions lol, but YOU are just about to blow my brains out, u cocky ( ) I won't say it. and something else, it occured to me while reading your posts that you may be a guest worker in my Fine country (which I am VERYYYYYYYY PROUD of) So shut the ( ) up, no body is swinging u to stay here. Get it??

THAT MY GIRL TO MANY OPINIONS AND NOT ENOUGH BRAINS

[michaeldub]

MichaelDub..

TAKE SOME TIME OUT. TAKE A DEEEEEEEEEEP BREADTH. Eyeryone is entitled to their opinions lol, but YOU are just about to blow my brains out, u cocky ( ) I won't say it. and something else, it occured to me while reading your posts that you may be a guest worker in my Fine country (which I am VERYYYYYYYY PROUD of) So shut the ( ) up, no body is swinging u to stay here. Get it??

Unfortunaltelly it seems like you believe a lot in stereotypes

Ireland offer jobs because it's a lot helped by the EU, but now things are changing as lots of companies are moving to India, Bulgaria...
But the fact that you somehow offer us jobs doesn't mean that you're perfect (or wonderful as you say: ask all the foreigners if they think that Irish people are wonderful, don't say it by yourself) and if there's something wrong we say it. I let you know also I had chances to talk to other foreigners living in Ireland and they all share my opinion, some of them didn't even try to share a house with Irish people because they heard horrible experiences from their friends. At least 95% of foreigners I met so far say the same thing, so something must be true.

The mentioned that i am a worker is completely wrong as the most of the workers are Polish and Irish. I don't work in constraction as i mentioned but I am a part of the education system. I know i did a lot of mistakes and i still do. I am not perfect at all.

To the invitation of 'go home', well most of us can't find a position in our Country homes and so we keep staying here. It seems that u don't acept critisism or probably you stuck in your island. And you are all racists cause u don't accept even the Americans to work in this country. I have a lot of Americans friends who had bad experiences and the most of the times were unwanted. Who? The country that you offer so much.

There's good an bad in every Country and I'm not talking 100% negative about Ireland at all. Lack of education and hygiene is definitely a point I don't like though and like me many others.

[TOMMY]

Unfortunaltelly it seems like you believe a lot in stereotypes

Ireland offer jobs because it's a lot helped by the EU, but now things are changing as lots of companies are moving to India, Bulgaria...
But the fact that you somehow offer us jobs doesn't mean that you're perfect (or wonderful as you say: ask all the foreigners if they think that Irish people are wonderful, don't say it by yourself) and if there's something wrong we say it. I let you know also I had chances to talk to other foreigners living in Ireland and they all share my opinion, some of them didn't even try to share a house with Irish people because they heard horrible experiences from their friends. At least 95% of foreigners I met so far say the same thing, so something must be true.

The mentioned that i am a worker is completely wrong as the most of the workers are Polish and Irish. I don't work in constraction as i mentioned but I am a part of the education system. I know i did a lot of mistakes and i still do. I am not perfect at all.

To the invitation of 'go home', well most of us can't find a position in our Country homes and so we keep staying here. It seems that u don't acept critisism or probably you stuck in your island. And you are all racists cause u don't accept even the Americans to work in this country. I have a lot of Americans friends who had bad experiences and the most of the times were unwanted. Who? The country that you offer so much.

There's good an bad in every Country and I'm not talking 100% negative about Ireland at all. Lack of education and hygiene is definitely a point I don't like though and like me many others. IF YOU THNK SO LITTLE OFTHE IRISH THERE IS NO BALL AND CHAIN HOLDING YOU BACK PET YOUR HANDS UP[ AND THANK GOD THAT YOU ARE LIVING IN THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD

[chalky]

Unfortunaltelly it seems like you believe a lot in stereotypes

Ireland offer jobs because it's a lot helped by the EU, but now things are changing as lots of companies are moving to India, Bulgaria...
But the fact that you somehow offer us jobs doesn't mean that you're perfect (or wonderful as you say: ask all the foreigners if they think that Irish people are wonderful, don't say it by yourself) and if there's something wrong we say it. I let you know also I had chances to talk to other foreigners living in Ireland and they all share my opinion, some of them didn't even try to share a house with Irish people because they heard horrible experiences from their friends. At least 95% of foreigners I met so far say the same thing, so something must be true.

The mentioned that i am a worker is completely wrong as the most of the workers are Polish and Irish. I don't work in constraction as i mentioned but I am a part of the education system. I know i did a lot of mistakes and i still do. I am not perfect at all.

To the invitation of 'go home', well most of us can't find a position in our Country homes and so we keep staying here. It seems that u don't acept critisism or probably you stuck in your island. And you are all racists cause u don't accept even the Americans to work in this country. I have a lot of Americans friends who had bad experiences and the most of the times were unwanted. Who? The country that you offer so much.

There's good an bad in every Country and I'm not talking 100% negative about Ireland at all. Lack of education and hygiene is definitely a point I don't like though and like me many others.


Eh.. first point... Are polish and Irish people the only people in Ireland who go to work??
You are employed right and getting paid for it??? (oh sorry, I correct myself, you are part of the Education stysem... what are you then.. The table the chair or part of the foundation???? But you don't work !!! is that it???
If I am wrong about that then you must work, so what does that make you??? a worker or is the word offensive to you for some reason.... if I have a degree and did my doctor and I go to work to get paid !!! amn't I a worker...

second point... read again... I didn't invite u anywhere.... but if I was in a place that I didn't like or feel comfortable in then I would leave it.. easy eh??

Third point... lack of Ed. now that is something new to me.. and as for Hygiene.. there u go again insulting us.. what kind of people do you meet with that gives u such an impression.. I've never come across it...



What makes u think that u know where I live eh!! and with whom I acquaint with???
I have lived in and seen more of the world then you obviously have had of dublin.. (Ireland)
It is you who are racist my friend...

You cannot generalise.. that's wrong.. I really do wonder about what type of people you are dealing with, you sad sad person... Me thinks that you have a chip on your shoulder LOL.. and it is not from Burdocks...

[pvm]

I have not met too many Irish recently who are recent immigrants here (U.S. southwest), but does seem to me they are well educated and do not have hygiene or drinking issues. Met a few in Washington DC three weeks ago...same thing.

Seems they leave Ireland for about the same reasons 60,000 Americans live in Ireland...some adventure in an English-speaking country, or they were offered a better job.

Sorry about the Wally World joke...probably nice Walmart hasn't made it to Ireland yet anyway.

[chalky]

I have not met too many Irish recently who are recent immigrants here (U.S. southwest), but does seem to me they are well educated and do not have hygiene or drinking issues. Met a few in Washington DC three weeks ago...same thing.

Seems they leave Ireland for about the same reasons 60,000 Americans live in Ireland...some adventure in an English-speaking country, or they were offered a better job.

Sorry about the Wally World joke...probably nice Walmart hasn't made it to Ireland yet anyway.

here each and every one of their markets has either been closed down or been taken over... the staff was mostly kept on by the new owners and most of them say that they prefared working for the previous employers (Walmart)

[pvm]

here each and every one of their markets has either been closed down or been taken over... the staff was mostly kept on by the new owners and most of them say that they prefared working for the previous employers (Walmart)

Chalky, where you are I understand Walmart was union. I read wages were higher and working conditions monitored at the Walmarts over there, too.

No labor unions at Walmart here, though.

I did not know Walmart did not survive over there.

[chalky]

Chalky, where you are I understand Walmart was union. I read wages were higher and working conditions monitored at the Walmarts over there, too.

No labor unions at Walmart here, though.

I did not know Walmart did not survive over there.

the very last one closed down about 6 months ago... there was a big scandal at the time, I can't remember correctly but it was about working hours and contracts etc. the employees were not getting set monthly work schedules, Walmart wanted that they work on an on call basis i.e only come to work when called in or needed.......

[muller]

Eh.. first point... Are polish and Irish people the only people in Ireland who go to work??
You are employed right and getting paid for it??? (oh sorry, I correct myself, you are part of the Education stysem... what are you then.. The table the chair or part of the foundation???? But you don't work !!! is that it???
If I am wrong about that then you must work, so what does that make you??? a worker or is the word offensive to you for some reason.... if I have a degree and did my doctor and I go to work to get paid !!! amn't I a worker...

second point... read again... I didn't invite u anywhere.... but if I was in a place that I didn't like or feel comfortable in then I would leave it.. easy eh??

Third point... lack of Ed. now that is something new to me.. and as for Hygiene.. there u go again insulting us.. what kind of people do you meet with that gives u such an impression.. I've never come across it...



What makes u think that u know where I live eh!! and with whom I acquaint with???
I have lived in and seen more of the world then you obviously have had of dublin.. (Ireland)
It is you who are racist my friend...

You cannot generalise.. that's wrong.. I really do wonder about what type of people you are dealing with, you sad sad person... Me thinks that you have a chip on your shoulder LOL.. and it is not from Burdocks...
Well done Chalky:rockon:

[chalky]

Well done Chalky:rockon:

Well it's true isn't it??? :angel_smile:

[miamigo2]

Intresting topic i see ....

[MykidsMom]

I have not met too many Irish recently who are recent immigrants here (U.S. southwest), but does seem to me they are well educated and do not have hygiene or drinking issues. Met a few in Washington DC three weeks ago...same thing.

Seems they leave Ireland for about the same reasons 60,000 Americans live in Ireland...some adventure in an English-speaking country, or they were offered a better job.

Sorry about the Wally World joke...probably nice Walmart hasn't made it to Ireland yet anyway.

I think though that anyone whos seen walmart in action knows what you meant...Having a union would have closed them years ago but hey theyre beyond the stage anyone can touch them...and i have to admit sneaking in to get their deals on toys....hmmm the walmart dance though the staff have to do...im not sure its not a prayer either...gets me..

[pvm]

the very last one closed down about 6 months ago... there was a big scandal at the time, I can't remember correctly but it was about working hours and contracts etc. the employees were not getting set monthly work schedules, Walmart wanted that they work on an on call basis i.e only come to work when called in or needed.......

At Walmart, like almost all American big box retail, most folks get hours when Walmart needs them there...period. There are not many folks in American corporate retail who receive set hours. Working at Walmart is never to be considered a place to work for most folks working there if they expect to have a set income or even an income in which one can support themselves. They only offer jobs for those just entering the workforce living at home, college students, and housewives or retirees seeking to supplement the family income. Or, for those folks with limited education, Walmart is either the second job or the worker will have to get a second job. Any other senario just isn't ever going to happen. Very few full-time employees at Walmart, and if you show up to work and they find they are not as busy, yes, they will send you home early without pay. Unless you can get into management at Walmart, it just isn't a career move. Just the way retail works.

To add in an edit, basically it appears that those workers wanted something that at Wally World never exists in the first place. I can't see Wally World dealing with a union or with labor contracts....I can see Walmart just closing up because folks thought they could make Walmart give them set hours and a contract. In the U.S., if a Walmart cannot turn over a certain revenue and Walmart isn't getting the $$$ forcasted, yup, they close down that store and just move on whenever they don't get what they want.

http://www.walmartmovie.com/

By the way, I almost never shop there myself.

[MykidsMom]

I don't know what are you talking about.

I don't know if the system was better before but this seems the worst of all. I don't think that anybody cares. I didn't see anybody blaming, or saying something for all the bad things in this country and of course for the education. Maybe they cannot understand the diference between Sweedish, German.... model and the Irish. Or they don't wanna understand. It's sad.

Ireland needs a lot of help. The situation is out of control. The future of the Irish youth goes to a dead end.

:bs:


Well ok i admit i dont live in ireland...but im literate, have children just finishing higher education and have contacts left in the old sod.......and I know for a fact that the education given in ireland is highly sought by those outside the country...and despite the higher educational fees have to turn away foreign students every year......so.................given that it cant be all that bad...listen i remember buying my first house in ireland 37 years ago and everyone bemoaning the fact that my mortgage was Five Pounds a week with the irish educational building society, and the older people at the time said...oh the world is ending...the young people will all leave and none of them can afford to buy a house...hmmmmmmmmm didnt happen did it? and i think maybe your too close to the system to look at it with objectivity. I wish i could have afforded to send my kids back.!!!

[TOMMY]

Eh.. first point... Are polish and Irish people the only people in Ireland who go to work??
You are employed right and getting paid for it??? (oh sorry, I correct myself, you are part of the Education stysem... what are you then.. The table the chair or part of the foundation???? But you don't work !!! is that it???
If I am wrong about that then you must work, so what does that make you??? a worker or is the word offensive to you for some reason.... if I have a degree and did my doctor and I go to work to get paid !!! amn't I a worker...

second point... read again... I didn't invite u anywhere.... but if I was in a place that I didn't like or feel comfortable in then I would leave it.. easy eh??

Third point... lack of Ed. now that is something new to me.. and as for Hygiene.. there u go again insulting us.. what kind of people do you meet with that gives u such an impression.. I've never come across it...



What makes u think that u know where I live eh!! and with whom I acquaint with???
I have lived in and seen more of the world then you obviously have had of dublin.. (Ireland)
It is you who are racist my friend...

You cannot generalise.. that's wrong.. I really do wonder about what type of people you are dealing with, you sad sad person... Me thinks that you have a chip on your shoulder LOL.. and it is not from Burdocks...
I HAVE ONLY THING TO SAY TO YOU GET STUFFED HOW THERE YOU TALK TO A IRISH LIKE THAT YOU ARE NOT FIT TO CLEAN HER SHOES

[MykidsMom]

Well it's true isn't it??? :angel_smile:



YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! chalky it is true......hugs!!!!

[TOMMY]

Who Is This Person Upsetting My Dub Friends Has He Not Been Brought Up With Any Manners Only In Ireland Would He Get Away Talking To A Better Class Person He Should Put His Hands Under Every Irish Person Feethe Meets And Thank Them For Putting Up With A ****ttttttttttttt Like Him Up The Dubs

[pvm]

I HAVE ONLY THING TO SAY TO YOU GET STUFFED HOW THERE YOU TALK TO A IRISH LIKE THAT YOU ARE NOT FIT TO CLEAN HER SHOES


Elegant way to put it actually.

[Grumpy Old Man]

The origonal subject matter was the increase in teenage crime and IMO things were the same when we were teenagers , the only differance in the influence of television The old saying " blame the parents " is a true one .
Last year my son (17 )worked in Our Lady's Hospice along with a lot of his pals feeding patients etc. He did the Presidents award (which proudly stands over the fire place , he climbed the highest mountains in Ireland ,I could go on. Like anything you get out what you put in. LOL Where is he now?
Well hes in his room with 5 of his friends drinking beer ( they are allowed 2 each ) and playing 5 card stud and planning their walk of the Grand Randonnee in France next year . He has to find 1600 euros to finance the trip
and I know he will . They will all be home by 11.30
Teenagers are the future and I have great hope

Grumpy

[michaeldub]

Eh.. first point... Are polish and Irish people the only people in Ireland who go to work??
You are employed right and getting paid for it??? (oh sorry, I correct myself, you are part of the Education stysem... what are you then.. The table the chair or part of the foundation???? But you don't work !!! is that it???
If I am wrong about that then you must work, so what does that make you??? a worker or is the word offensive to you for some reason.... if I have a degree and did my doctor and I go to work to get paid !!! amn't I a worker...

second point... read again... I didn't invite u anywhere.... but if I was in a place that I didn't like or feel comfortable in then I would leave it.. easy eh??

Third point... lack of Ed. now that is something new to me.. and as for Hygiene.. there u go again insulting us.. what kind of people do you meet with that gives u such an impression.. I've never come across it...



What makes u think that u know where I live eh!! and with whom I acquaint with???
I have lived in and seen more of the world then you obviously have had of dublin.. (Ireland)
It is you who are racist my friend...

You cannot generalise.. that's wrong.. I really do wonder about what type of people you are dealing with, you sad sad person... Me thinks that you have a chip on your shoulder LOL.. and it is not from Burdocks...



I dont say that all the Irish don't have education or are dirty but the most. If u don't believe me ask all the foreigners here.

And you are racists cause of lack of education. When Americans (Not Polish, Nigerians but for god's sake Americans) kids go to school and the Irish kids behave like "shut up immigrant, forein b...." (and it happened) of course I can say that.
I won't forget this taxi driver that told me that all the foregners should go away from Ireland....
Ask all the foreign people how many Irish friends they have and how the Irish accept them or not...

When somebody is spiting on the pavement in front of other people nobody at least to say "can you please stop it"
When somebody leaves wastes in the middle of the street and not in the bins nobody says anything.
When the buses are always late or train journeys are cancelled no complaints at all

All those things should make you think about how proud you should feel. I know there are rough and dirty people everywhere but here seems like nobody stops them cause noone understands or they just don't wanna understand. Probably that's why people don't say a word. Over in USA people know how to behave and police scares all the scumbags. In Dublin the police is like it doesn't exist. In Germany if you drop your waste on the pavement people will mark you as a scumbag and they will call police to pick u up. They have fantastic transport systems and they are not so rich country as Ireland. But they are creative people. That's what i mean education (do something for a better quality of life with what you get. Otherwise you are a very sad person covered with the balck clouds of vanity). That's what I think would work fine for Ireland.

Do u accept those problems are true as you metnioned that u had seen a lot of places in this world? So probably you may find a diference between Berlin and Dublin...

Of course i have the possibility to go find another place that i think that works fine for me. But it won't change anything. You have to listen accept critisism if u wanna get better. I don't wanna make you feel attacked cause of my words as i think i did. I just try to help you. Think before you say something again. It's pure critisism and nothing to do with the country and their people as Irish. Just listen and take action. You Irish are very acceptable people. And that's bad. You take what they offer you. Look the Italians despite the economy problems they hav at least subway. Cause they demand it.

And comming back to criminals. The kids must know better. You do it better. Don't leave them in the wrong way. I won't believe that you can't. Change your acceptable behaviour and the country will change.

[pvm]

Michaeldub: Are you American? I am. But, wondering if your are, too.

[mickjoe]

Hi Pvm, I don't think Michaeldub is an American. Reading through his letter it appears to have been written by someone whose first language is not English.
The grammer is all wrong, and so is his Phraseology, I would hazzard a guess and say he could be from one of the African countries, or Middle East.

As to his remarks about the "Irish People" I have to say that I think he is way out of line. It is well known in the world that the "Irish people" are one of the most Welcoming and Friendly of all the nations.

If he, or any other person that comes to live and work in Ireland then it is THEM that should adapt to the country that has graciouly accepted them.... If this isn't acceptable to them, I am sure they can find the Door to leave Ireland, just as easily as they found it to come in.

[michaeldub]

Hi Pvm, I don't think Michaeldub is an American. Reading through his letter it appears to have been written by someone whose first language is not English.
The grammer is all wrong, and so is his Phraseology, I would hazzard a guess and say he could be from one of the African countries, or Middle East.

As to his remarks about the "Irish People" I have to say that I think he is way out of line. It is well known in the world that the "Irish people" are one of the most Welcoming and Friendly of all the nations.

If he, or any other person that comes to live and work in Ireland then it is THEM that should adapt to the country that has graciouly accepted them.... If this isn't acceptable to them, I am sure they can find the Door to leave Ireland, just as easily as they found it to come in.

No African, No Middle East, No east europe (x-communism) No Usa, but South Europe. I just compare Ireland with the places i have seen (Texas in USA, Germany, Sweeden, Denmark, Italy,) But the place i was born was disgusting and i am ashamed to say which one is it. I don't belong there. I left.

I just repeat. Ask all the foreign people how many Irish friends they have. If you are the best let other people say that. Not you.

Of course i can leave this country but it won't change anything. Problems will be problems as they are. It sounds moronic the mention just leave the country. You don't understand that i don't try to blame you but to help. Do you get it now? (I think that i tried to explain you before one hundered times. You still seem you don't understand)

[MykidsMom]

Michaeldub....honestly before you left which ever country you come from you were obviously in a terrible hurry to get out and didnt do your homework...so youve now ended up some place you dont like either...do you think the connection here might be you? Ireland without much thought or preparation opened its doors and allowed people to come in...welcoming you as their own and giving you the opportunity to settle and make good life for your family....are you grateful? happy? Dont think so ....so i think thats what the Irish people you meet are picking up loud and clear the fact that you dont actually like their country and are a chronic complainer....and they see too you have the opportunity to go home......and to be quite honest listening to you from here in canada i think you should bloody well go home too..sometimes its not the place...its the person....and im sure even the indegenioius people of southern europe from the less developed countries wouldnt want you in their place either complaining...and if your going to complain to english speaking people about their country.....speak the language properly!!! Did you read thro all that grumpy old man said???? Well hes telling you the truth...These kids are the next generation are are basically good kids if raised by accountable parents..hmmmmmmmmmmmm read quite regularly about actual riots in France eh? whats that all about? the point being ....?????? im sure you already know.

[Grumpy Old Man]

No African, No Middle East, No east europe (x-communism) No Usa, but South Europe. I just compare Ireland with the places i have seen (Texas in USA, Germany, Sweeden, Denmark, Italy,) But the place i was born was disgusting and i am ashamed to say which one is it. I don't belong there. I left.

I just repeat. Ask all the foreign people how many Irish friends they have. If you are the best let other people say that. Not you.

Of course i can leave this country but it won't change anything. Problems will be problems as they are. It sounds moronic the mention just leave the country. You don't understand that i don't try to blame you but to help. Do you get it now? (I think that i tried to explain you before one hundered times. You still seem you don't understand)

Lighten up Mick , you've posted 55 times and the vast majority of your posts are negative . in the last 10 years 350,000 people have chosen to move here,
of course there bound to be problems . If you do decide to stay you will be assimulated:dance: Most of your posts are all Greek to me

Grumpy

[MykidsMom]

Yea GOM i tagged it as greek too hahahaha.................... but heres the thing..most of the greeks i know are great funny friendly people.......i guess theres cranks everwhere though even in ireland!!!

[miamigo2]

Canada-Bashing Forum


It's about time someone put these uppety mo'fo's in their place. They think they're sooooOOOooo great because they're not American?! Well, guess what Canadish! Neither are we! We're even less American. We'll bash you good-o.... eh?!Hey MKM , just spotted this over in boards.ie ,their is a rake of posts to ,lol

Your not from canada by any chance ?

[MykidsMom]

Hey MKM , just spotted this over in boards.ie ,their is a rake of posts to ,lol

Your not from canada by any chance ?

Thats funny steve......thing is we irish are everywhere, we blend into whatever country we are, accept the good and bad, but always remember WHY we left ireland....and I think these newcomers into our Country are bloody lucky getting the opportunity that i personally didnt get there.......so can the complaints i say....................Hugs!!

[miamigo2]

[QUOTE=MykidsMom;152522]Thats funny steve......thing is we irish are everywhere, we blend into whatever country we are, accept the good and bad, but always remember WHY we left ireland....and I think these newcomers into our Country are bloody lucky getting the opportunity that i personally didnt get there.......so can the complaints i say....................Hugs!!No thats true, we didnt get those opportunities .You should go over to the boards.ie and join in the debate about canada.Seems to be a mix of irish americans/canadians and home irish in that debate , you would have a ball in there lol .

[MykidsMom]

awww now steve are you trying to get rid of me hahaha...dont you think i walk a fine line here sometimes trying to stay out of trouble and keep me big mouth shut hahahhaa......

[miamigo2]

awww now steve are you trying to get rid of me hahaha...dont you think i walk a fine line here sometimes trying to stay out of trouble and keep me big mouth shut hahahhaa...... Yeah , i had you in mind for WW3 in there hahahahaha ,and you would be the perfect person to defend your irish/canadian roots ,

but as grocho marx said '' ok, i'll join the club as long as there are no canadian members ''

i assume he was em ...joking ? :biggrin: LOL

[mickjoe]

No African, No Middle East, No east europe (x-communism) No Usa, but South Europe. I just compare Ireland with the places i have seen (Texas in USA, Germany, Sweeden, Denmark, Italy,) But the place i was born was disgusting and i am ashamed to say which one is it. I don't belong there. I left.

Why would you say the place you were born in was "Disgusting" Michaeldub. It must have its good points, afterall that is where your parents decided to start a Family.
Could it be that there are OTHERS like yourself who go around moaning and groaning about anything and everything that doesn't suit them, or fit in with what they think life should be like. If the country of your Birth is so bad why didn't you stay and do something about it. Instead of leaving and settling in another country and moan about that countries way of life

I just repeat. Ask all the foreign people how many Irish friends they have. If you are the best let other people say that. Not you.

When you say ASK all of the Foreign people in Ireland if they have Irish friends, exactly which Foreign people are you referring too?
Some Foreigners WILL have made Irish friends, some will have kept to themselves, and then there are those who will never make Friends, no matter how long they stay in Ireland.
However the Children of these Foreigners WILL make friends, as no matter where you are in this world Children always make friends with other children, even if they don't speak the same Language. That is until they are old enough to have their minds distorted by the so called Adults within their Family groups.

Of course i can leave this country but it won't change anything. Problems will be problems as they are. It sounds moronic the mention just leave the country. You don't understand that i don't try to blame you but to help. Do you get it now? (I think that i tried to explain you before one hundered times. You still seem you don't understand)


What HELP does Ireland need.... It has existed for Thousands of years without any help from outsiders, and with the help of God, and her People she will continue to do so.... Many have tried to change the Irish People down through the years, but we have survived.

[MykidsMom]

What HELP does Ireland need.... It has existed for Thousands of years without any help from outsiders, and with the help of God, and her People she will continue to do so.... Many have tried to change the Irish People down through the years, but we have survived.


Right on..............................and world watch out we just might take over!!!

[chalky]

I shouldn't have opened me mouth..... I don't like how this is going....

[miamigo2]

Its just another post in a thread chalky ,

[MykidsMom]

miams right clalky...just another post..and hey we love you!!!

[TOMMY]

I Would Bea Very Sad Time If We Dub Did Not Stick For One Another As We All No Where Our Roots Are So Dont Be Sorry

[MykidsMom]

Tommy theres such a great bunch of people on this site...and know what if michaeldub wasnt so cranky hed find hed soon has a lot of irish friends....!!! including us hahahaa.....

[jimmie]

Tommy theres such a great bunch of people on this site...and know what if michaeldub wasnt so cranky hed find hed soon has a lot of irish friends....!!! including us hahahaa.....

Ride on!!! Micaeldub should go back to Turkey if he thinks Dublin is so bad.:silenced:

[Marmalade]

"But the place i was born was disgusting and i am ashamed to say which one is it. I don't belong there. I left." Michaeldub

Most of our political, economic and religious rulers aught to be ashamed of themselves. Why are you ashamed to say....where you were born?

[MykidsMom]

hmm how come marmalade you've become a blank canvas????

Should we watch the space carefully?? :))

[muller]

"But the place i was born was disgusting and i am ashamed to say which one is it. I don't belong there. I left." Michaeldub

Most of our political, economic and religious rulers aught to be ashamed of themselves. Why are you ashamed to say....where you were born?

Musta been Tallaght:dance:

[Marmalade]

hmm how come marmalade you've become a blank canvas????

Should we watch the space carefully?? :))

What happened to your Gilbert look?

[michaeldub]

Ride on!!! Micaeldub should go back to Turkey if he thinks Dublin is so bad.:silenced:

Who told u abt Turkey? Did u smoke again???

[michaeldub]

What HELP does Ireland need.... It has existed for Thousands of years without any help from outsiders, and with the help of God, and her People she will continue to do so.... Many have tried to change the Irish People down through the years, but we have survived.

And i hope u will...

[redbhoy]

Michaeldub,

Immigrants tend to stick to their own when they go to a new country. In general the Irish are a friendly bunch of people and i doubt if any immigrant was to join a club they would be shunned or bullied out.
Some taxi men are ignorant but you get bad apples in every walk of life so you need to deal with idiots like this regularly. I drive a taxi and a good percentage of my customers are foreign nationals so I think they're a great addition to the country. They're never usually p*ssed out of their faces and are always polite. More so than drunken Irish people.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Michaeldub,

Immigrants tend to stick to their own when they go to a new country. In general the Irish are a friendly bunch of people and i doubt if any immigrant was to join a club they would be shunned or bullied out.
Some taxi men are ignorant but you get bad apples in every walk of life so you need to deal with idiots like this regularly. I drive a taxi and a good percentage of my customers are foreign nationals so I think they're a great addition to the country. They're never usually p*ssed out of their faces and are always polite. More so than drunken Irish people.

I agree Redbhoy , I use taxis 3/4 times a week and the vast majority of taximen are OK as in every walk of life ,,including my own ,there are the usual racist idiots . If people make an effort to join in ( with constructive critisism Mick lol) they will find new friends . We have been assimulating different peoples and cultures for thousands of years and will continue to do so .

Grumpy

[michaeldub]

Musta been Tallaght:dance:

I don't know but this is the best post i've ever seen!!! Good job.

Why you are afraid of Tallaght. I don't think that it's so bad as people say

[redbhoy]

Michaeldub,

People mock Tallaght, Ballymun, Finglas, etc etc all the time. But what you must remember is there is good and bad eveywhere. You can get the gentlest, politist peoples from working class areas and think ignorant slobs from the gentrified areas and vice versa!
Bono was from Finglas after all :doh: . Well he claims it anyway.

[Grumpy Old Man]

I don't know but this is the best post i've ever seen!!! Good job.

Why you are afraid of Tallaght. I don't think that it's so bad as people say

OK Mick , your first lesson in Irish humour :dance: Muller made the comment .
His pal here on the forums is Paddywacker , who is from Tallaght . It was a joke . They are always slaggin each other . I suggest you learn what slaggin means , as its an important step in your assimulation , resistance is futile

Grumpy

[MykidsMom]

I don't know but this is the best post i've ever seen!!! Good job.

Why you are afraid of Tallaght. I don't think that it's so bad as people say


Michaeldub.....my christmas gift to Muller is going to be a huge tin bucket and a spade to stir the ****.....do you want one too hehehhee..!!!

[chalky]

it's all loading up in the corner helen.. I think ye metter give him two LOL... ha ha :dance: howya Muller... :kiss:

[murph52]

ive been away too long ha ha ! city i live in Australia is very multi cultural but the recent social experiment with non Christian based groups is heading for disaster -- they wont interact or intermarry or try to make some effort to fit in to the Aussie way of life!! if not why come here --not all are running away from war--

[miamigo2]

Quote =murph52;153719]ive been away too long ha ha ! city i live in Australia is very multi cultural but the recent social experiment with non Christian based groups is heading for disaster -- they wont interact or intermarry or try to make some effort to fit in to the Aussie way of life!! if not why come here --not all are running away from war--It seems to going that way with just about every western country in the world bar a few .Report in yesterdays daily mail say 4 out 5 new jobs created in uk go to recent immigrants which tells its own story .That cant be right .

[MykidsMom]

murph, so tell me this hehehe..when did the australian powers that be decide their native australians were in fact people and not flowers? just recently being in the last 20 years right? so maybe it'll take a while for intergration.........and it wont happen till you stop saying "them" and everyone becomes "us"

This is everywhere..!!! Unfortunately

[murph52]

mkm after the war Australia "said ' populate or perish so we had a huge influx of refuges from Europe --British--Italian -- greek - and many others all of whom in time assimilated.This was through the need to get a job --send kids to school-- and inter marriage. The next big influx of ppl or refuges were Vietnamese in the early 70s they are still largely in their ghettos, i would say because they will not marry outside their culture. Now having seen this the "powers that be" deemed the next influx of ppl would be Iraqis and Turks and Iranians ,Congalinse -- Sudanese with the result this city of mine with the pop. of around 28000 has in a few years nearly 6000 ppl that have no intention of integrating whatsoever, this is stated over and over by their own religious Muftis. The mind boggles at what will happen in the next 10yrs . I do really hope that by the children going to mainstream schools that they will modify their parents bigotry oh i forgot these groups now want Islamic schools only for their children !!!

[MykidsMom]

you know what? its a melting pot the world...and heres something thats big in canada right now...seems crime, school dropout figures are mostly relating to young black males??? so the bright sparks in goverment...recommended just having all black schools for these kids of colour....hmmmm im thinking martin luther king must be rolling in his grave...are we going backwards or what? i think though looking at dublin theres been too much too fast in the way of emigrants arriving there, so its a very difficult situation...so i can see what you mean

hows oz...we're battling -12 and snow ughhhhhhhhhhhh...

[murph52]

you know what? its a melting pot the world...and heres something thats big in canada right now...seems crime, school dropout figures are mostly relating to young black males??? so the bright sparks in goverment...recommended just having all black schools for these kids of colour....hmmmm im thinking martin luther king must be rolling in his grave...are we going backwards or what? i think though looking at dublin theres been too much too fast in the way of emigrants arriving there, so its a very difficult situation...so i can see what you mean

hows oz...we're battling -12 and snow ughhhhhhhhhhhh...
OMG!!! thats cold lol 34c here niccceeeee!:dance:

[MykidsMom]

well i heard the brass monkey is alive and living in australia with his balls hehehe.

a friend of ours is there at the moment, hes gone from new zeland to oz and is coming back on sunday......god help him hehee

oh well christmas is nice...traditional..but after that..well i think wed trade weathers with you..

[murph52]

well i heard the brass monkey is alive and living in australia with his balls hehehe.

a friend of ours is there at the moment, hes gone from new zeland to oz and is coming back on sunday......god help him hehee

oh well christmas is nice...traditional..but after that..well i think wed trade weathers with you..

yep after a few years of da heat --im over it lol -- ahhh i would love to be in Ireland for Christmas -- just for the relations---it would be grand lol

[MykidsMom]

thank heavens murph none of my relatives post here hehehe.....so i can safely say.

I thought id never get to see them either in the summer, but dont ya 7 days in ireland landed me in hospital hehehe...im rationing visits in future hehee too much can be stressful !! now i do love them...but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[murph52]

ha ha ha ! ok i know what ya mean -- sometimes 6 weeks is to much of me mam lol and me da too

[MykidsMom]

OMG I dont think id last out 3 weeks never mind 6 hahaha!! did you have this problem with relatives?

day one fall outa bed. cuzzin maggies waiting by the stairs,frying pan in hand.. "im going to do you up a bita breakfast now before you head off over to cuzzin aggies"

Battering and clanging coming from the kitchen for at least 45 mins, dont smell any coffee but my heads going to burst..finally....in she comes, dumps a plate on my lap...smothered in black/white pudding, sausages burnt beyond recognition, tomatoes/mushrooms/fried bread and god knows what else...."cant eat all this i gasp"

woddle over to aggies, jasus look at you, she beams waving the frying pan at me..i cant eat a thing i go.."ive just had breakfast/lunch and dinner at maggies" "get outa that" says Aggie in a big rush to get to the stove....I can see the piles of puddin' and sausages, "honest aggie i cant manage another thing" i wail, "sure maggie could burn toast" says aggie pouring at least a pint of oil into the pan..."ive gotta go to Bernies for lunch i cry....im feeling a bit sick but manage after the visit to crawl down the pathway and into the car to go to bernies. I could smell the food cooking as i walked up bernies walkway, my feet didnt want to go inside the door cos my stomach was warning every bit of my body...NO MORE FOOD....."sure will you stop that complaings" says Bernie, "sure its no trouble and you have to have a bit of lunch on your plate" two hours later, and its still only 2pm my brain finally recovers enough to scream i have to go to the shops..i need to buy something for my stomach to stop it complaining and a larger pair of pants......"christ says" Bernie you canadians must eat nothing "do you have one of those eating diseases" "yes!!" i go....Ive got one now.............. I gained 9lbs in one week.............and had nightmares about fying pans for months..

[murph52]

OOOHHHHH STOP!!! me side hurts!!!! lol well most of the Aunties have passed away but i know what ya mean .Hafeners sausages and black and white puddin' and gamon bacon and farm fresh eggs and fried bread !!! jasezzz i can feel the cholesterol fillin' me up already :pray:

[MykidsMom]

I know murph, but jesus would you get that kind of hospitality anywhere..the irish are overfriendly hehehe....Great!!

Years back, we had some visitors from dublin for dinner, we did a BBQ, everything seemed fine..everyone seemed to have a good time.. .............But some weeks later we heard one of the women "was'nt talking to us" and we'd no idea why......until a few years later she let the cat out of the bag when we met her unexpectedly in dublin, we'd served her baked potatoes with the skin on...........................expected her who was a guest to peel her own potato? how rude is that hehehe... only in ireland!!!

and i said..i love it.

[murph52]

lol ! thats a good one alright :applause:

[pvm]

So that's why my mother always peeled the potatoes (and the carrots, too) -- it's an Irish thing.

Me, never peel them. And, my mother thought that was wierd.

Not just that it's healthier to eat the skins. The real reason is it's way faster to just scrub them and slice them up -- i.e., laziness.

[MykidsMom]

right hehehe....yer supposed to peel....also had a guest for a bbq from the old sod...couple of days later cutting the lawn noticed odd bits of food hehehe...hed turfed out anything from his salad that he didnt recognise ie...peppers, spinach, mushrooms, etc etc..so i enquired as to whod put his plate together for him...and was told hed done it himself....then thought ughhhhhhhhhhh gross hehehe. willies aunt complained one time i was trying to give her stomach problems...cos i originally asked ..steak well done rare or medium rare...and she goes medium rare..so thats what she got hehe...

[michaeldub]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0501/poll.html
prove me wrong well that u don't hate the foreigners.....

[paddywacker]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0501/poll.html
prove me wrong well that u don't hate the foreigners.....
a criminal is a criminal in any language that is the problem they should be quarantined and a check carried on health and police records if any before being allowed in

[michaeldub]

Be more specific please.
This article says about Irish people who don't like to be with other nationalities together:naughty:

[Marmalade]

"Almost 80% of the respondents agreed with the statement that it is good that children in Ireland today are growing up in a multicultural society."

I think the author's of this article are trying hard to belittle the results of a very positive survey

".....only 3 out of 10 said they would not want their son or daughter to marry a foreigner."

Thats 70% who would in fact encourage their sons and daughters to intermarry......or marry with a foriegn person themselves!

Contradictions will always exist when national broadcasting services make reports like this one.

**********************
"a criminal is a criminal in any language that is the problem they should be quarantined and a check carried on health and police records if any before being allowed in" Paddy

Based on the same kind of allegation that you have made about the Vitners and Cider merchants on Old County Rd....I presume!
(Some pictures of Crumlin thread)

[MykidsMom]

Be more specific please.
This article says about Irish people who don't like to be with other nationalities together:naughty:


I think that article is ambiguous Michaeldub.

Yes there are ofcourse Irish who dont like other nationalities, just the same as there are other nationalities who dont like The irish, its a human trait unfortunately. There are believe it or not even irish who dont like irish !!! And I think in the perfect world we wouldnt have these petty hates going on...but hey its not perfect..

I know as an Irish person living in canada I was subject to pretty racial profiling too...and did i like it? you bet your bottom $ i didnt i was screaming blue murder when i encountered it...but theres also the thing..when in rome...so with that attitude adapted things did work out...Education, and time in Ireland will sort this out, dont forget about 10 years ago ireland was an island with mostly Irish people...its going to take time...I met familys from other nationalities who have lived in Ireland for longer than i did....id say theyre more irish than me who was born in the country ..;))

[miamigo2]

I think that article is ambiguous Michaeldub.

Yes there are ofcourse Irish who dont like other nationalities, just the same as there are other nationalities who dont like The irish, its a human trait unfortunately. There are believe it or not even irish who dont like irish !!! And I think in the perfect world we wouldnt have these petty hates going on...but hey its not perfect..

Those of us who are married ,in rerlationships and living abroad for many years will echo those sentiments and it's intresting to see the shoe on the other foot so to speak with the arrival of all those immigrants to ireland .

My first post on this forum was to ask how much will non- irish people intergrate with the locals and marry into .Besides myself ,there are two other members of my family who married ' Foreigners ' long before the influx of immigrants to celtic tiger ireland .It seemed to be the excepted norm in ireland for to marry and live abroad but i think (for want of a better word ) the dilution of the white irish ' in ireland ' race frightens some more than others . When i see threads in another forum with titles like '' my polish /romainian / Lituainian babysitter/ cleaner is getting ideas above her station blah blah '' it make me cringe laugh and worry .Because that's when i know ireland has changed byond what it was or used to be.

Use to be a time when only mrs Finnigen i D4 could say that now every bugger is . LOL :angel_smile:



I know as an Irish person living in canada I was subject to pretty racial profiling too...and did i like it? you bet your bottom $ i didnt i was screaming blue murder when i encountered it...but theres also the thing..when in rome...so with that attitude adapted things did work out...Education, and time in Ireland will sort this out, dont forget about 10 years ago ireland was an island with mostly Irish people...its going to take time...I met familys from other nationalities who have lived in Ireland for longer than i did....id say theyre more irish than me who was born in the country ..;))

The irish in ireland , north and south were and in a lot of cases still are *****ing about each other .It's just the non - natives who arrived have giving then a new breed to vent their anger and fears , real and imagined at .Two generations of young irish people have being born since i left ireland .

Will be intresting to make aquaintince with them when next i am home .:angel_smile:

[MykidsMom]

Well I tell you i dont know of any other country that did as much complaining about their immigrants ....My aunt just before she died was still complaining about a relative who years ago married guy from Wales and wondered what the world was coming to....god knows what shed have done now eh..

I dont think by the sound of it we'll live to see the integration...but im sure our grandkids will..........and its a pity because theres so much to be learned...you dont lose anything by it either...cultural wise and the economy will benefit...I thought it was wonderful last time i was home to see all the different stores and restaurants...and to hear the chatter of different languages well i thought that was good too.............as you say the shoe is on the other foot now....but its having trouble fitting hehe

[Marmalade]

A Nigerian man who came to Ireland seven years ago to seek asylum in Ireland has made history by becoming Ireland's first black mayor.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0628/adebarir.html (28 June 2007)

I guess there will always be a layer of people who.....without any political direction, will be influenced by the politics of fear.

Unlike MichaeI...I think the result of the poll he referes to is very good. The RTE journalist appears to have distorted the result and I presume he did this on account of the editors notion of ballanced reporting.

Only 70% are happy to fall in love with an immigrant! Sure if you got that kind of result on your college course you'de be laughing.

Though I may not subscribe to the Portlaoise mayors politics, I congradulate him and the people of Portlaoise who elected him as a significant first.

[murph52]

Yep theres a young lady in Dun Laoghaire --of oriental heritage -- who ,on being very grateful to me for picking up her baby's rug that had fallen of her pram as she didn't see it go -- thanked me in the BROADEST DUBLIN ACCENT you ever did hear!!! well im sure she is still sayin to herself --- ahhh jazess the poor auld gom!! as I had me mouth open and da chin on the road and was struck dumb! ahh ya had to laugh-- dat was in 2004 and i had been away for 30 odd yrs

[miamigo2]

When the Irsh army first went to the Lebanon in 1978 on UN peacekeeping duties, they were in a remote part of the country near a little village .One young Lebanese girl who worked in a little shop selling irish goods to the troops called the 'Mingy shop 'was so used to being surrounded by the irish accent growing up there ,that she developed the strongest Dublin accent this side of the liffey .She can be seen in the shop selling her stuff on a documentry i have on video .Strange to think she never set foot in ireland in her life although it was her ambition to vist one day .

[MykidsMom]

Yep theres a young lady in Dun Laoghaire --of oriental heritage -- who ,on being very grateful to me for picking up her baby's rug that had fallen of her pram as she didn't see it go -- thanked me in the BROADEST DUBLIN ACCENT you ever did hear!!! well im sure she is still sayin to herself --- ahhh jazess the poor auld gom!! as I had me mouth open and da chin on the road and was struck dumb! ahh ya had to laugh-- dat was in 2004 and i had been away for 30 odd yrs

30 years..........oh my god you must have thought you were in a different country altogether..

Ive been almost 30 years left, but go back here and there so saw some of the evolution but my god after 30 years............well i think id have stood in the middle of o'connell street gobsmacked..!!!

Miam youd wanna hear the newfies here...theyve got the irish accent down pat........much much more irish and you or me or anyone i know even hehe

[redbhoy]

Stick the video up on you tube for us all to have a gawk!

[miamigo2]

It's an hr long cassette video and would probably have to transfer it to disc before loading onto you tube .

[Marmalade]

I remember everyone snapping away with their cameras at the time, unfortunatly, I've lost all my photos from the Leb.

[miamigo2]

Was you in the Leb Jams ,as a tourist /soldier /working ?

[michaeldub]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0LjpkGk5gyY&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CqvstUQkV0E

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gb4xIkdI79k&feature=related

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"...expect things to kick off. It is entirely possible that a populist, anti-immigration politician will emerge, wrapping himself in the tricolour, claiming to stand up for the rights of the real ethnic Irish".

The time is nigh.
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....if we have to fight for defend europe,i will fight,****ing *******s those who are in the power,**** THE MULTICULTURISM,**** THE IMMIGRATION.
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Studies of convicted paedophiles show that a large majority have links with white supremacist (WS) groups. Low IQ, an inability to form meaningful relationships and feelings of powerlessness consistent with paedophilia are also common factors among WSs. Such is the trend that most WS groups are now nothing more than 'fronts' for child pornography. Gardai and PSNI have gathered sickening images (some of children as young as a couple of months) that are regularly passed around WS/BNP websites.
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its a good job no one on here is a white supremist or bnp then isnt it!

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Its a well documented fact that white christian europeans can and will intigrate to the greater extent as apposed to asians or africans. this is a fact, not racism have a lookat the rest of europe, its in termoil!
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absolutely. i've read all the research, i did my BA and MA degree both in intercultural communication with a specific emphasis on cultural integration and assimilation. cultural similarity and skin color are the greatest predictors of integration. if they don't match, assimilation will never take place. unfortunately our govts. don't give a damn about scientific fact.


this is Ireland......

[Marmalade]

825
http://youtube.com/watch?v=esTJHToAxS4&feature=related
People are not a problem...if the system fails then the system is the problem.


Miamigo....I was with the 44th infantry Batt UNIFIL '78 to '79. I could never manage to shoot straight!

[miamigo2]

Our paths might have crossed somwere Marm , i was in the 12th 5th and 36th batts 1975/81 .The nearest i got to the Leb was spending 2 weeks loading the pallets onto the planes at Dublin airport with these americans guys .I was supposed to go over to the Leb at some stage but between one thing and another declined the chance .My memory at the airport that time was seeing the back blast of this this dc-10 blow the berats all over the place of all and sundry whitin 100 yards. Had many friends who went on several tours there and lost a good friend in Derek smallhorne over there in 1980 .

[michaeldub]

http://ie.youtube.com/user/PCSCZ

http://ie.youtube.com/user/beforeidie666

http://ie.youtube.com/user/AngryIrishman88

http://ie.youtube.com/user/icepinkgirl

http://www.immigrationcontrol.org/

That's Ireland....

[MykidsMom]

Michaeldub.....I could search thro the internet and come up with as many items on the positivity of immigrants to ireland....how they are embraced into the communities. and neither you nor I would be right.

Look at your self like a crusader preparing the way for the future...you are'nt even though part of the first influx of the new irish, i met communities In West Clare from India, North africa and Europe who've lived in Ireland more than 25 years, as long as I did and they had no hesitation in treating ME as a foreigner as I really was too. Things will be a lot easier for the next generations growing up and Ireland will have become just like any place with a multicultural population. And always remember everyone isnt cut out to live in certain places....and you do have the option to move....and the ability!! You need to be receptive to moving out of your comfort zone and getting to know some irish people..

[michaeldub]

Well I agree with everything you say. The only thing I try to do is to show to everyone the real face of the country of "1000 welcomes"...

A country where the 50per cent of it's population lives abroad doesn't accept foreigners. Fascism and racism in Ireland should be named and ashamed. :boohoo:

[tolka1]

Our paths might have crossed somwere Marm , i was in the 12th 5th and 36th batts 1975/81 .The nearest i got to the Leb was spending 2 weeks loading the pallets onto the planes at Dublin airport with these americans guys .I was supposed to go over to the Leb at some stage but between one thing and another declined the chance .My memory at the airport that time was seeing the back blast of this this dc-10 blow the berats all over the place of all and sundry whitin 100 yards. Had many friends who went on several tours there and lost a good friend in Derek smallhorn over there in 1980 .was smallhorn from dublin?miamigo

[tolka1]

Well I agree with everything you say. The only thing I try to do is to show to everyone the real face of the country of "1000 welcomes"...

A country where the 50per cent of it's population lives abroad doesn't accept foreigners. Fascism and racism in Ireland should be named and ashamed. :boohoo:
I havent lived in ireland for over 40 yrs and go back rarely but through my brothers and on-line newspapers can sort of keep up with what goes on,crime ,sports etc.
I do know that one of my brothers tells me that it is laugh at croke park to hear the kids ,black white, yellow whatever still saying the same things WE said in croke park?
1....are u form cork
2.do u ate patates
and the big one.....i can smell cow**** off your boots.
Some things never change

[mickjoe]

Well I agree with everything you say. The only thing I try to do is to show to everyone the real face of the country of "1000 welcomes"...

A country where the 50per cent of it's population lives abroad doesn't accept foreigners. Fascism and racism in Ireland should be named and ashamed. :boohoo:

If as you say "Ireland doesn't accept" Foreigners, how can you say there is "Fascism and Racism" in Ireland.

[michaeldub]

tHis is the fascism my friend. To restrict foreigners and judge em cause of the origin

[mickjoe]

Given the number of different religious establishments that there is in Ireland, I can see how you can say Ireland doesn't accept Foreigners..... Try taking a Christian Prayer book or some other Christian item into Saudi Arabia and see what happens..... I am all for share and share alike, but when it is all one Way, then I think we should reciprocate and do likewise.

Tell me michaeldub, WHY have you got such a Bee in your Bonnet about the Irish People........ Were you refused Entry into Ireland

[Marmalade]

'Fascism and racism in Ireland should be named and ashamed'. MDub

Fascists think of themselves as supremicists, they have no shame!

Michael. I don't believe you are as naive as you you make yourself out to be. What politics do you subscribe to..conservative, liberal, republican, social democrate.....other! So far you have come across to me as a crank, so cut the bullshhit!

[michaeldub]

Given the number of different religious establishments that there is in Ireland, I can see how you can say Ireland doesn't accept Foreigners..... Try taking a Christian Prayer book or some other Christian item into Saudi Arabia and see what happens..... I am all for share and share alike, but when it is all one Way, then I think we should reciprocate and do likewise.

Tell me michaeldub, WHY have you got such a Bee in your Bonnet about the Irish People........ Were you refused Entry into Ireland

:think:

I didn't say that all the Paki Arabians, etc aren't fascists!!! Yes thy are and even worse than the wests. But the problem in Ireland is that people don't like to live together with other nationalities even Europeans (French, Spanish)... I don't care about the Asians at all at this moment and I don't speak about them.
I tell you my friend a lot of times I have been exposed in xenophobic behavior against me here in Dublin. And I couldn't do anything. Once when a Taxi driver spoke to me that Ireland belongs to Irish and the outsiders must go away. I just shut my mouth. I couldn't say anything. When somebody mentioned me "because of you (all the foreigners) I cannot find a job". Friends of mine (American family) had problems to live with peace in their penthouse in Wicklow town and the list goes on. Now I have found those stupid videos and I really feel so uncomfortable in the land of "1000 welcomes" where I live about 1 year and I don't have at least one native friend....

Well I bother you all. Definitely I live your island taking my foreign blood away from you cause this is what you want. I will give you back your happiness...

[michaeldub]

'Fascism and racism in Ireland should be named and ashamed'. MDub

Fascists think of themselves as supremicists, they have no shame!


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This is good man. Now I get you

[Marmalade]

No.....you don't!

[tolka1]

:think:

I didn't say that all the Paki Arabians, etc aren't fascists!!! Yes thy are and even worse than the wests. But the problem in Ireland is that people don't like to live together with other nationalities even Europeans (French, Spanish)... I don't care about the Asians at all at this moment and I don't speak about them.
I tell you my friend a lot of times I have been exposed in xenophobic behavior against me here in Dublin. And I couldn't do anything. Once when a Taxi driver spoke to me that Ireland belongs to Irish and the outsiders must go away. I just shut my mouth. I couldn't say anything. When somebody mentioned me "because of you (all the foreigners) I cannot find a job". Friends of mine (American family) had problems to live with peace in their penthouse in Wicklow town and the list goes on. Now I have found those stupid videos and I really feel so uncomfortable in the land of "1000 welcomes" where I live about 1 year and I don't have at least one native friend....

Well I bother you all. Definitely I live your island taking my foreign blood away from you cause this is what you want. I will give you back your happiness...
dear michaeldub,
you have to remember that ignorance and intolerance is universal and ireland is no different.I have read and watched programs here about how irish people are still looked down on in england?
Irish people have emigrated to britain for yrs but they are still seen as second class citizens.Indeed i have run across some of the same people here in canada but i put them in their place very quickly.
Let me tell you what ****es me off about immigrants to a country..........When they dont try and assimilate into the general population and therfore create countrys within countrys...................When they dont try and learn the official language(S) of same...............When they try to force the people of the country to adopt THEIR ways when they immigrate........................

[MykidsMom]

I think Michaeldub just wants to wind us up hehehe....hes figured out the irish way really fast.!!!!!! we are a nation of chronic complainers.....................

[skybluedub]

Hi MKM .... well here's one Irishman who's not complaining, we only have to look at the poor and starving of the world all around us and realise that really we are very lucky if we have a roof over our heads, a decent job, our health and our friends and family .... I need little else ... so, no complaints from me.

Live & Let Live ...... and Up The Dubs!!

[MykidsMom]

yes...i agree with you..but you have to know its not the norm......we irish are given to complaining a lot!!! I never heard as much whining in my entire life as i did when i was back last may....about the weather, the price of booze, the state of the nation, the traffic, the downtown core and the destruction of it or making of it..depending on who was whining...my god my head was spinning.!!!

[skybluedub]

Your dead right MKM, but the funny thing is that wherever you go in the world people love to complain, maybe we Irish are better at it than most. I lived in Michigan about 10 years ago and even with the greatest standard of living imaginable .... the guys I worked with were always moaning. I could have stayed and lived there for good if I'd wanted but I preferred the European style of *****ing and griping LOL.

[MykidsMom]

haha...well listen, accidentially i ended up in India (sorry ennis) last may for 4 weeks in the local mental hospital......and im sitting there thinking WTF......i have to say, the next nation with the perfection of whining has to be from India......and they have no problem settling into Ennis let me tell you ..its home from home hahhaaa...i was the foreigner..............

I dont like North american whining either...ive developed the deaf ear for it hehee

[skybluedub]

Gotta go now MKM .... sorry but it's been a long day, work, then watching my football team get 'battered' I gotta go and sleep off my disappointment .... I'm not complaining or anything though lol bye for now .

[michaeldub]

wEll!!! It doesn't matter. I got a few good answers!!! That's all I want. Your opinion.

[MykidsMom]

Of course it matters Michaeldub....How we feel about how we live is totally important and affects our whole outlook on life. I dont doubt that theres problems in ireland, but I know too that for every one person who has issues with the "new Irish" and accepting them theres 3 at least ready to accept and embrace the change. Its not all dim and miserable. You need to put a bit of effort out and make Friends not only with the irish but with everyone....we irish who emigrated had to do that too....and yet theres still pockets in almost every big city in the world assigned to irish polish, russian, chinese etc etc.....why do you think that is? cos originally some immigrants wanted to be with their "own" kind.....either because they were homesick, wanted to maintain their culture, were afraid of change...who the heck knows.......!!!!!

[muller]

Of course it matters Michaeldub....How we feel about how we live is totally important and affects our whole outlook on life. I dont doubt that theres problems in ireland, but I know too that for every one person who has issues with the "new Irish" and accepting them theres 3 at least ready to accept and embrace the change. Its not all dim and miserable. You need to put a bit of effort out and make Friends not only with the irish but with everyone....we irish who emigrated had to do that too....and yet theres still pockets in almost every big city in the world assigned to irish polish, russian, chinese etc etc.....why do you think that is? cos originally some immigrants wanted to be with their "own" kind.....either because they were homesick, wanted to maintain their culture, were afraid of change...who the heck knows.......!!!!!Calm down MKM---this isn't like you.:kiss:

[Marmalade]

Of course it matters Michaeldub....How we feel about how we live is totally important and affects our whole outlook on life. I dont doubt that theres problems in ireland, but I know too that for every one person who has issues with the "new Irish" and accepting them theres 3 at least ready to accept and embrace the change. Its not all dim and miserable. You need to put a bit of effort out and make Friends not only with the irish but with everyone....we irish who emigrated had to do that too....and yet theres still pockets in almost every big city in the world assigned to irish polish, russian, chinese etc etc.....why do you think that is? cos originally some immigrants wanted to be with their "own" kind.....either because they were homesick, wanted to maintain their culture, were afraid of change...who the heck knows.......!!!!!

Well said Helen

[miamigo2]

was smallhorne from dublin?miamigo

He was indeed and one of 70 odd irish soldiers to die on active service with the UN in Lebanon .

He and another soldier were captured by one of the arab factions while escorting some american doctors in a landrover somewere of the beaten track .They were disarmed and held captive for many hrs .
Himself and his colleague were shot while attemting to escape their captors (who it emerged were planning to kill them anyhows ) His colleague though badly wrounded survived .It was also later said that they should not have been allowed to travel on their journey without armoured protection .

[COWBOY39]

I left Dublin in the 50s when it was possible to walk home from all the Dance Halls in Dublin..
When I came to London everywhere was safe to walk home.
But I m afraid every Big City is the same today,the Yobs have all the protection.
When caught and charged they all quote Human Rites/Civil Rights and PC Do-Gooders are quick to help them.
No one gives a hute for the Victims.
The Police everywhere have virtulely let the youngsters have the Streets.

When I go back home now my Family always warn me to get a Taxi straight outside the venue.
Make sure you phone your Taxi before you go outside. I have been told that Dublin has it fair share of Foreigners as pickpockets/Beggers.
So much for letting the Borders down in the European Union,but every Country has it share of Bad Apples.

[MykidsMom]

cowboy i hear ya....but i remember too..............in the 70s in dublin before any borders were let down, dublin could be a pretty irratic city in the downtown core...I remember stopping my car to park it around marborough street, and about 20 under 10s appeared outa nowhere with sticks, jumping up and down on the bonnet of the car... the thing being, pay us 2 pounds to watch your car or we f** with it...remember the gangs who sat and pickpocketed on o'connell bridge?? remember having to cross the street in various areas cos the local gangs didnt know you?? the list is endless......................i could go on and on i have to say i never felt threatened anywhere in the whole world as much as i did in dublin and that includes the back end of New Orleans known for its lack of safety..!!!

[murph52]

Hi Enviro-- how true your words are . Here in Australia ,which has been built on migration, we now have intolerance since the early 70s because up untill then most if not all Australia's migration was from cultures that were Christian based but in the 70s the heavy inflow of Vietnamese people ,who by now should have assimilated, have not because of the no interaction at a community level or intermarriage. Now we have the massive influx of Muslims who have no problem telling this land and its people that Islam is the way to go and that we (Muslims) now DEMAND our own schools our own doctors our own laws our own swimming pools ect.ect. and the bleeding heart brigade kow tows to this dribble. Most of these so called refuges came to Australia bye first by passing through many Islamic countries to land here and ask for asylum -- ahhh sur i could go on and on and on ,and often do lol , but one thing this new influx of Muslims is good at TAKING HANDOUTS! they know every loop hole and more ,like registering at dole office with say 4 kids buy the end of the day those kids had been registered 7 times to different parents !!! a sharp eyed gov. worker stopped this rort quick smart lol but those involved wernt even slapped on the wrist .
this is a post on the Dun Loghaire site and it did upset some but I stand by it as true-- as i see it here and now !

[MykidsMom]

hey muph...i hear ya...our latest sikhs uproar is, they want the helmet laws for motor cycles not to apply to them..and actually have achieved this in several canadian provinces...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....i wont go there!!

[miamigo2]

So it is true , their not content with wanting to take over ireland and the uk but also Austrlia and Canada to .

[skybluedub]

I'm afraid we all have to accept that we are powerless to invoke any real and meaningful change, as others have said .... we lost the battle for our own streets and neighbourhoods long ago. My own solution to local trouble was to move house and I've done it twice now, each time having to move from a home we loved and start again. I know some poor people will never have that option but one thing is for sure ..... if you stay and fight you will end up in trouble or in prison for as we now all know, the baddies know all the laws and rights are on their side while us good people get fobbed off by the authorities with every excuse under the sun. As I say, it's a great pity but the yobs and thugs have the upper hand and one or two individual good citizens are no match for them ..... God help us all.

[tolka1]

So it is true , their not content with wanting to take over ireland and the uk but also Austrlia and Canada to .W hen i hear canadians born and reared in this country complaining about the changes here with the latest emigrants i tell them they have no one to blame but themselves.They are the people who wouldnt do the "joe "jobs,wouldnt pay any attention to this country(you,d be amazed how many dont vote) and only are interested in themselves(the "me "syndrome).
What we allowed to happen here under multi-culturalism was to allow the emergence of countrys within a country. We have now got .BRAMPTON or brambledesh...WOODBRIDGE or wopbridge and so on.
I went into a store IN MISSISSAUGUA and couldnt be served as i couldnt speak polish.
We have streets where they are only chinese names on the street names so the toronto that a lot of us came to doesnt exist to-day.One of my daughters has a girl in her office,born and bred in toronto and speaks with a very clear chinese accent.
I was on a site in toronto last yr and heard an italian canadian kid shout at a portugese guy"why dont you learn english so i know what you are saying"............T his portuguese was in canada 18yrs and couldnt speak english.
As regards the sikh community i can tell you that when a sikh wanted to go into a legion with his turban on they had to let him as he proved in court that it was good enough for them to wear turbans while fighting in the various wars with the canadians/british /commonwealth soldiers so it should be good enough to go in a legion.ditto for the r.c.m.p and local police forces.
p.s miamigo..........The same people that sold their houses for a profit (to these latest immigrants)and moved out of toronto are the first ones to complain but they still took the money and didnt care where it came from.
Definition of a true canadian?Somone with a case of beer and a car and he is happy.

[murph52]

a bit like an Australian bloke lol

[Marmalade]

"I went into a store IN MISSISSAUGUA and couldnt be served as i couldnt speak polish." Tolka

Sure is'nt there an Irish pub in almost every town in the world where you can speak Irish?

[willie lynch]

a bit like an Australian bloke lol
Murph & Tolka we are all in the same boat, when the family are out maybe out to dinner, one of my Kids may say some thing about the PR's/Indians who ever. I have to stop and tell them, What do you think of me. I'm an imergrent also, just like them i can to Kennedy airport with $75 in my pocket and NO job with maybe 7th grade education. You're kids don't look at you like that, they think it's every body else not you. Now the english speaking part lads that's another story. Wait till you see Ireland in years to come. I think the flight of earls is Coming again down the road. Maybe I'm wrong hope so, but it can't stay that way the cost of living. My god its nuts. WL

[miamigo2]

Well one thing that has not changed is the price of everything going up .Food ,electricity and everything else and even the more comfortable off are feeling the pinch .A case in point here in uk is an old age pensioner was carted off to jail last week for refusing to pay his council tax on the grounds that the pensions havent rose with inflation and the council big wigs were topping up their fat pensions of the backs of people like him .Rightly or wrongly , the man was prepared to go to jail for what he believed in .there are other stories such as his every week in the news and no doubt if he were a burglar rapist or murderer his rights and welfare would have being given more consideration .In the meantime, the yobs have taken over our streets and one top police officer has said ,wait for it...... '' the people themselfs should police their own communities '' ......now is that what our taxes go on and what the police are paid for ,to police our communities and catch criminals ? No doubt many police officers find their hands tied down with officialdom ,sensitive judges and paperwork .Some other top clown said only last week that '' the youths he has met feel as though they are being picked upon by the police and say they have no place to go or nothing to do '' .....so logiclay he is saying that excuses yobbos to go out and assault and murder innocent people somtimes on their own doorstep .What planet do these people live on ? It'a an insult to the very many well behaved young people thankfuly in the majority .

[tolka1]

"I went into a store IN MISSISSAUGUA and couldnt be served as i couldnt speak polish." Tolka

Sure is'nt there an Irish pub in almost every town in the world where you can speak Irish?where?

[murph52]

lol well theres one in my town here in Australia and i can speak Irish in it --problem is no one understands me ha ha ha and sur after 35 yrs of not speakin it ive lost most of it --- use it or loose it i suppose !! ahhh sur im longin for the 17th march to come around and hear all the accents again !! ahh will ya go on!

[Marmalade]

Where?

MISSISSAUGUA 'Irish Pubs'

http://www.failteirishpub.ca/

Failte Irish Pub
- www.failteirishpub.ca - (905) 276-2212

Rosie McGee's Irish Pub www.rosiepub.com - (905) 829-1118

Belfast Lounge The Irish Pub & Restaurant(905) 212-9048

McKenna's Irish Pub (905) 793-8579 - more

McDaid's Irish Pub (416) 207-1111

Overdraught Irish Pub
- www.theoverdraught.ca - (416) 408-3925

Whelan's Gate Irish Pub (416) 531-1311

Mullins Irish Pub(416) 963-3000

Fionn Mccolls Irish Pub (416) 586-1331

Cuchulainn's Irish Pub
- www.cuchulainnsirishpub.com - (905) 821-3790

[Marmalade]

Bye the way Murph...will ye ever put some substance behind your comments (evidence) about Muslims in Australia....after all I could simply say I saw a whole lot of protestants down at the dole office here in London, and though a few were milking it, I could easly make it appear much worse.... like the Islamaphobic twat whom you are quoting.

The demonising of Muslims is the last resort of those who failed to justify the invasion of Iraq namely the fundamentalist christians in the White House.

[murph52]

what part of my post needs substance ?? i live it here and i posted as i see it ? ohh and by the way i never supported the invasion of Iraq even by the axis of the willing !! so dont be so presumptuous please! and the only person i am quoting is my self ,its my opinion , live and let live but dont push religious crap,whatever book its from , down my pants lol

[MykidsMom]

Where?

MISSISSAUGUA 'Irish Pubs'

http://www.failteirishpub.ca/

Failte Irish Pub
- www.failteirishpub.ca - (905) 276-2212

Rosie McGee's Irish Pub www.rosiepub.com - (905) 829-1118

Belfast Lounge The Irish Pub & Restaurant(905) 212-9048

McKenna's Irish Pub (905) 793-8579 - more

McDaid's Irish Pub (416) 207-1111

Overdraught Irish Pub
- www.theoverdraught.ca - (416) 408-3925

Whelan's Gate Irish Pub (416) 531-1311

Mullins Irish Pub(416) 963-3000

Fionn Mccolls Irish Pub (416) 586-1331

Cuchulainn's Irish Pub
- www.cuchulainnsirishpub.com - (905) 821-3790

Its fashionable to have the irish connection here in canada.....a lot of these so called irish pubs never saw a real irish person on a stool in their entire lifes though hehehe...i think mississauga though might be one place with a high irish population...theres actually gaelic classes some place here in whitby/oshawa.........

[Redrum]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0LjpkGk5gyY&feature=related

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Such a waste of space, all you have to do is to pin out their IP numbers, to track them down by using websites like this http://cqcounter.com/whois/ and to report them to the local police together with their delirium, then inform their providers.... There is always something better instead of a sweeping generalization.

Anyway the topic has to do with an unlucky story. Considering topics such as the one of our unlucky visitor ,another question crosses my mind: How is it possible in our ‘civilized’ world, where a minimum of education is easily available for everybody, that people come to completely lack of any capacity of thinking logically? …no reason, no logic conclusions, no ability to discriminate things. I don’t think stupidity can be an excuse for that. Even an ‘underprivileged’ brain has received enough input, enough education to be able to understand the basic rules of human communication. How is it possible that we still find such savage people in our world of economic wealth, education, culture and all kinds of social and cultural accomplishments? They must act in bad faith.

Is it something could one day explode in the real life, like in the sad Finnish case?

[gilly]

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=esTJHToAxS4&feature=related
People are not a problem...if the system fails then the system is the problem.


Miamigo....I was with the 44th infantry Batt UNIFIL '78 to '79. I could never manage to shoot straight!

well good on you:applause::applause::thumbs google "44th infantry batt unifil",some very good pic's.

[Gilthorpe]

Whelans was next door to James Gate and built by a Dub..lots of Irish there then not too many now!

[Redrum]

Whelans was next door to James Gate and built by a Dub..lots of Irish there then not too many now!

You mean???...................

Anyway the topic has to do with a crime unfortunate event. Safe city??? There is no safe place

http://loranablog.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/baby-gangs-grow-up-well-in-switzerland/#comments

Just visiting that blog and reading that post you can see the "safe" Switzerland from another view. There is no safe place in the world. It's time to escape from the false myths...